DragonBall Z: The Room 29 Productions Dub

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:45 pm

Let's get this project rolling!

/j

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:25 pm

Hey d00ds, I've been fiddling around with the poster, 'cause I just wasn't happy with it:

This poster says everything in the movies' title: 'Battle For Earth'. Tullece and Goku are both reaching for it, as a sort of metaphor for 'Who will take Earth? Good or evil?' That conveys a sort of battle/struggle. Then we've got the fiery background, which is a sort of message as to how fiery the battle will become (and the fire in the woods at the beginning of the movie). And obviously, you've got the Earth in the middle, so you can rightly say they're 'battling for Earth'. Oh yeah, and I like the slogan, 'One shall stand... and one shall fall.' I got it from Transformers, the 1989 animated movie (which is freakin' sweet, might I add).

Is it better than the last one?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:41 pm

Steven Perry wrote:This poster says everything in the movies' title: 'Battle For Earth'. Tullece and Goku are both reaching for it, as a sort of metaphor for 'Who will take Earth? Good or evil?' That conveys a sort of battle/struggle. Then we've got the fiery background, which is a sort of message as to how fiery the battle will become (and the fire in the woods at the beginning of the movie). And obviously, you've got the Earth in the middle, so you can rightly say they're 'battling for Earth'. Oh yeah, and I like the slogan, 'One shall stand... and one shall fall.' I got it from Transformers, the 1989 animated movie (which is freakin' sweet, might I add). Is it better than the last one?

Steven, you are an absolute friggin' genius. For this talnted poster, you deserve the cosplaying Chichi.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:30 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:Steven, you are an absolute friggin' genius. For this talnted poster, you deserve the cosplaying Chichi.

Then what do I get for directing?

I agree, though. VERY nice, Stevey. Reminds me, however, that we're going to need to make some changes to the credits on the posters, what with VAing and other roles being switched around somewhat.

I'm trying to work out some kinks with the KEVRG's video. But I've got all weekend free; I should be able to get this done and a Tullece picked over the weekend.

Timo · Post by **Timo** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:55 pm

"One shall stand...one shall fall!"

Haha, I love it!

Transform and roll out!

Arcwave · Post by **Arcwave** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:11 pm

Very nice poster, Steven!

/j

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:28 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Then what do I get for directing?

Chichi after she's married.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:02 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Then what do I get for directing?
Chichi after she's married.

::Gouges out eyes::

I'm sure I deserve a prettier cosplayer than that? Well, maybe I don't quite deserve that one...

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:37 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
::Gouges out eyes::

I'm sure I deserve a prettier cosplayer than that? Well, maybe I don't quite deserve that one...

XD

Nice poster, Steve. Love the idea behind it.
Now...I feel talentless..I need to do something productive >.>

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:01 am

Hmmm... well thanks guys, but do you remember Saiyan's one? It's pretty awesome- but he hasn't PMed me the PSD file, and so I can't clean it up:

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:56 am

Overall, I like it.
I just think you should lay off the cloud overlay as it detracts from the great artwork, and drop shadows don't really work well on that kind of background.

I like the layout, I just think all the little flourishes you've added kind of make it look incongruous with the film itself.

Sorry if I'm nitpicky but two years studying graphic design will do that to you

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:55 am

Captain Awesome wrote:Overall, I like it.
I just think you should lay off the cloud overlay as it detracts from the great artwork, and drop shadows don't really work well on that kind of background.

I like the layout, I just think all the little flourishes you've added kind of make it look incongruous with the film itself.

Sorry if I'm nitpicky but two years studying graphic design will do that to you

You are talking about the one above you (Saiyan's), not my one (at the top of the page), right?

I'm just a little confused, because you're saying 'you', as if you're replying to me...

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:22 am

I'm pretty sure he means the second one (Saiyan's) because there is an awfully large ammount of cloud cover... tone it down just a little bit...

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:09 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Overall, I like it.
I just think you should lay off the cloud overlay as it detracts from the great artwork, and drop shadows don't really work well on that kind of background.
I like the layout, I just think all the little flourishes you've added kind of make it look incongruous with the film itself.

I disagree, I think the cloud overlays are necessary to blend the two styles (the characters and the planet/bg). The characters need to be 'softened' so they don't look so strange against the rest of the image. True, this may give the impression that the film is of a different style than it actually is - which is why I've pushed to use this poster instead of the others that use less of the traditional style (like the previous poster on the page).

Beyond that, I like the little touches, like the red/blue glow for Goku/Telluce (especially how each glow seems to radiate fro the sun/space). The only part I don't like is the 'Dragonball Z Battle for Earth' logo at the bottom (the DBZ logo has that awful drop shadow and lens flare combo, and the 'BFE' byline, well, I just don't like the font I guess).

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:14 pm

I miss how the fruit kind of glowed in an older version of that poster. Why don't you guys do that?

Steven Perry · Post by **Steven Perry** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:21 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:Overall, I like it.
I just think you should lay off the cloud overlay as it detracts from the great artwork, and drop shadows don't really work well on that kind of background.
I like the layout, I just think all the little flourishes you've added kind of make it look incongruous with the film itself.
I disagree, I think the cloud overlays are necessary to blend the two styles (the characters and the planet/bg). The characters need to be 'softened' so they don't look so strange against the rest of the image. True, this may give the impression that the film is of a different style than it actually is - which is why I've pushed to use this poster instead of the others that use less of the traditional style (like the previous poster on the page).

Beyond that, I like the little touches, like the red/blue glow for Goku/Telluce (especially how each glow seems to radiate fro the sun/space). The only part I don't like is the 'Dragonball Z Battle for Earth' logo at the bottom (the DBZ logo has that awful drop shadow and lens flare combo, and the 'BFE' byline, well, I just don't like the font I guess).

You're totally right, Desiré. Can you help me with my poster (as in review it like you've done for Saiyan's, and possibly even work on it)? I'd appreciate it.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:18 am

desirecampbell wrote: I disagree, I think the cloud overlays are necessary to blend the two styles (the characters and the planet/bg). The characters need to be 'softened' so they don't look so strange against the rest of the image. True, this may give the impression that the film is of a different style than it actually is - which is why I've pushed to use this poster instead of the others that use less of the traditional style (like the previous poster on the page).

The characters and background should contrast (just as they do in the show), if you "soften" the characters all you're going to do is lose detail and depth, the problem with the overlays that are stock photoshop cloud effects is that they will always look horrible no matter what you do to them, you can spot them a mile away.

I think perhaps some Aura brush strokes or smoke/dust overlay would look great, reproducing an effect from the show is preferable to just clicking a filter button.

The current effects stick out like a sore thumb.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:36 am

Steven Perry wrote:You're totally right, Desiré. Can you help me with my poster (as in review it like you've done for Saiyan's, and possibly even work on it)? I'd appreciate it.

The 'hands' poster...

1. It doesn' show what the film is about as well as the 'face to face' one. It's a great secondary poster (like that 'Oozaru' poster) but shouldn't be the main/lead poster.

2. artistically, the composition is off-center (the hands are coming in at different angles, and Goku';s hand seems too far left) and it's a bit sparse.

Beyond that, just the regular: stock clouds look bad, the DBZ logo looks awful. Also, the "one shall stand... one shall fall" could stand to be a bit larger, I think.

I'd love to take a stab at changing the posters, but I don't have the time this week. I swear, if Toyble releases another page before Friday I'm going to fucking die.

Captain Awesome wrote:The characters and background should contrast (just as they do in the show), if you "soften" the characters all you're going to do is lose detail and depth, the problem with the overlays that are stock photoshop cloud effects is that they will always look horrible no matter what you do to them, you can spot them a mile away.

I think perhaps some Aura brush strokes or smoke/dust overlay would look great, reproducing an effect from the show is preferable to just clicking a filter button.

The current effects stick out like a sore thumb.

That's true, they do smack of amateurism. Even just using the same clouds on a larger scale, changing the opacity (maybe a blend, or two) would improve it.

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:11 am

Also, people seem to think that blending effects + text = the coolest thing ever.

It doesn't.

Get rid of all of the embossing, bevels, and shadows (KEEP the white text white, however, because you're dealing with a dark background). Believe me, you'll thank me for this. I don't discourage blending effects altogether, but default settings really give you away as a newbie, or someone who just slapped on whatever and called it "done" (See: FUNi).

Also, is that two DBZ logos? Delete that second layer, son.

And get rid of the blue-streak lens flares; replace them with another variant or at least Gaussian them out a bit.

But honestly, I don't see this as the most important thing right now. Something to tide us over until we get Tullece/KEVRG, sure, but it needn't be an exhaustive process. Our potential audience likely won't be a panel of graphics experts.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:53 am

desirecampbell wrote:Beyond that, just the regular: stock clouds look bad, the DBZ logo looks awful. Also, the "one shall stand... one shall fall" could stand to be a bit larger, I think.

... D'OH! I'm assuming you mean the logo on Steven's poster. Oh, well... I've never been particularly adept at drawing letters... >_<;

Since you've been kind enough to dispense crit for the posters, do you mind telling me what I need to work on regarding the logo? I'm not sure if I'll be able to go back and change it (really, though, it's already served its purpose for Conan's trailer), but it'd be nice to know what to do/avoid next time I try to attempt making one of those things. >_>;