"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[sintzu]

Doesn`t Toryama consider Super material in official sequel standing? I`m starting to think this needs to laid down under some FAQ everytime cannonballs are being discussed

He said he wrote BOG and RF as if he were continuing the original manga so I'd assume he does the same with Super's as they're continuing those 2 stories.

[Noah]

Sorry, pretty sure there is a thread for this kind of stuff but I couldn't find it and I have some important things to do, so...

Yes, there is.

[Freeza9000]

I sincerely hope Toppo is restricting himself. It should not be possible for either Gohan or #17 to pressure the Pride Trooper so much when he demonstrated a power against Goku early on that appeared to be of equal standing with the Kaioken x10/Super Saiyan Blue combination. No matter how much you choose to embellish certain characters, we've seen no other competitor from Universe 7 with power that's comparable to that combination

Are you sure? In the most recent episode 121, #17 was shown capable of piercing through the red meteoroid ball that the Saiyan Trio and Golden Freeza themselves were struggling to push back and ironically requiring the help of the cyborg.

How are you certain that Toppo would be on equal stands with SSJB Kaioken x10? Let alone times 10? As a matter of fact, Toppo later on tries to drown his sorrows in a bar having PTSD flashbacks on that same form implying that level of power would've sufficed to take him out.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I sincerely hope Toppo is restricting himself. It should not be possible for either Gohan or #17 to pressure the Pride Trooper so much when he demonstrated a power against Goku early on that appeared to be of equal standing with the Kaioken x10/Super Saiyan Blue combination. No matter how much you choose to embellish certain characters, we've seen no other competitor from Universe 7 with power that's comparable to that combination

Are you sure? In the most recent episode 121, #17 was shown capable of piercing through the red meteoroid ball that the Saiyan Trio and Golden Freeza themselves were struggling to push back and ironically requiring the help of the cyborg.

How are you certain that Toppo would be on equal stands with SSJB Kaioken x10? Let alone times 10? As a matter of fact, Toppo later on tries to drown his sorrows in a bar having PTSD flashbacks on that same form implying that level of power would've sufficed to take him out.

Episode 125 might give us toppos full power, and the title makes it sound terrifying. "Only Overwhelming Power". Toppo has not been showing his full power at all, and hasnt shown it. Theres no denying that now.

[Kanassa]

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

Implying that characters saying he's intelligent makes him intelligent?

[Lionel]

I sincerely hope Toppo is restricting himself. It should not be possible for either Gohan or #17 to pressure the Pride Trooper so much when he demonstrated a power against Goku early on that appeared to be of equal standing with the Kaioken x10/Super Saiyan Blue combination. No matter how much you choose to embellish certain characters, we've seen no other competitor from Universe 7 with power that's comparable to that combination

Are you sure? In the most recent episode 121, #17 was shown capable of piercing through the red meteoroid ball that the Saiyan Trio and Golden Freeza themselves were struggling to push back and ironically requiring the help of the cyborg.

How are you certain that Toppo would be on equal stands with SSJB Kaioken x10? Let alone times 10? As a matter of fact, Toppo later on tries to drown his sorrows in a bar having PTSD flashbacks on that same form implying that level of power would've sufficed to take him out.

If I'm not mistaken, #17 pierced through the projectile and ruptured Aniraza's forehead accessory as the monster was in the midst of exerting himself in a collective projectile duel against the four other members of Universe 7. Aniraza was bearing down upon them but he wasn't certifiably dominating their efforts. I recall Toppo only receiving superficial wounds from an earnest Kamehameha by blue Goku. The Saiyan described his Kaioken as exceeding his limitations. It was only in the midst of fighting Hit and trying his Kaioken for the first time while acclimating to the effect that he used the lower multipliers. We caught a brief glimpse of it being used against Zamasu. You then have the Kaioken briefly used against Toppo. I think it's safe to conclude that the Kaioken in all three instances were times ten multipliers. There would have probably been some clarification by Beerus or one of the others in the Universe 7 audience if he was limiting himself. Both Beerus and Toppo himself described their fight as being evenly matched. Goku didn't make any attempts to correct them about his multiplier only being a fraction of times ten.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Can we wait till episode 125 to see toppos true power? For all we know, he might be god of destruction level, Super is known to surprise us. Heck, remember quitela beating beerus at arm wrestling, then everyone expected universe 4 to have the above G.o.D level mortal? That threw a lot of people off

[perucho1990]

I think this is how the ToP will be:

Episodes 123-124: Dyspo is the main focus

125-126: Toppo is the main focus(it would be stupid if he goes down in the same episode he shows his full power).

127-130: Mastered UI Goku vs Full Power Jiren, the moment Takahashi pops out again that would mean the fight will be over.

[Artorias]

I highly doubt that is the case. Most likely, Goku his stamina back. And, to nitpick, Goku was the one who discovered Mastered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan in the manga. Vegeta copied him, so even if the anime did give him this form, which I highly doubt, they didn't take anything from Vegeta.

Of course not but they could give Vegeta something he learned in RoSaT. Instead they gave him nothing.

Ignoring not giving him SSG as well

Toei clearly dislikes Vegeta. Toyotaro givs him a much better showing.

Oh yea, they dislike him so much that they're willing to make him the second biggest character in the entire show. Second only to...the main character. C'mon dude. Vegeta gets jerked off harder than LITERALLY any other character except for the main one. There's no grounds to complain. You should be grateful that he's still even relevant at this point. He easily could've faded into the background like so many characters have, but no. They kept him around to have almost as much screen time as the main character.

Has nobody watched Dragon Ball? (The Kid Goku stuff) I ask this because a lot of people complain about Son hogging the spot light when Dragon Ball (Kid Goku stuff) had whole arcs dedicated to nothing but Goku. Does the Red Ribbon Arc not ring a bell for anyone or how about Son Goku being the only viable threat to Demon King Piccolo? So my next question is if "original" Dragon Ball shoved Son Goku down our throats why is it suddenly a problem during GT and Super?
My guess is because folks may not like Son Goku and thus any time he is on screen people bit@h. Is that what it boils down too?

I think the people that don't like Goku or at least want him to fade more into the background are the people that mainly watched DBZ and never really got into Dragon Ball. They probably got used to Goku being out of the picture for large stretches of time in DBZ, and they just kinda grew up assuming it was the norm. This gave them time to get attached to other characters more than Goku, who to them was just this guy that always showed up at the last second and was out of the plot for like 75% of the story most of the time.

So now, when GT and Super go back to the old DB formula, these people are surprised by the Goku focus, and their brain can't accept that this is actually the norm for 3 out of the 4 Dragon Ball series. That's my theory.

[Noah]

Toei clearly dislikes Vegeta. Toyotaro givs him a much better showing.

Oh yea, they dislike him so much that they're willing to make him the second biggest character in the entire show. Second only to...the main character. C'mon dude. Vegeta gets jerked off harder than LITERALLY any other character except for the main one. There's no grounds to complain. You should be grateful that he's still even relevant at this point. He easily could've faded into the background like so many characters have, but no. They kept him around to have almost as much screen time as the main character.

Please, mate. You're acting like Vegeta fans should be like Piccolo/Krillin fans or something and be thankful when the writers throw a bone to their characters and that's just delusional. Vegeta fans always want more, him being a second fiddle is not enough, they want him to be the lead singer and their mentality is that only minor characters fans are satisfied with the little they receive.

[kinisking]

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

Implying that characters saying he's intelligent makes him intelligent?

Well if those fighters are intelligent like people say they are , then they would call him out on his stupidity if he wasn't being intelligent. They're doing the opposite. In universe he clearly is intelligent. If you think his plans aren't, then that's a problem with the writing.

[Artorias]

I can't wait till Goku gets his "full power" back, and it literally isn't any different from any of the other times he went Blue on supposedly "low stamina". There'll be no explanation, no comment. Just Goku going "Oh hey btw I'm full power now."

I think we're witnessing the birth of a new meme, even dumber than "5 minutes till Namek blows". The ridiculousness of this low stamina thing will be mocked for years to come in this fandom.

[Kanassa]

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

Implying that characters saying he's intelligent makes him intelligent?

Well if those fighters are intelligent like people say they are , then they would call him out on his stupidity if he wasn't being intelligent. They're doing the opposite. In universe he clearly is intelligent. If you think his plans aren't, then that's a problem with the writing.

Meaning he's not intelligent, even if the show wants you to think so.

[Whatever]

Shh people will come and say he's not intelligent at fighting even though the "intelligent " fighters have been calling every one of his plans genius the entire arc.

Implying that characters saying he's intelligent makes him intelligent?

Well if those fighters are intelligent like people say they are , then they would call him out on his stupidity if he wasn't being intelligent. They're doing the opposite. In universe he clearly is intelligent. If you think his plans aren't, then that's a problem with the writing.

Thats called underserved praise,there is even a trope for it.

[Artorias]

Toei clearly dislikes Vegeta. Toyotaro givs him a much better showing.

Oh yea, they dislike him so much that they're willing to make him the second biggest character in the entire show. Second only to...the main character. C'mon dude. Vegeta gets jerked off harder than LITERALLY any other character except for the main one. There's no grounds to complain. You should be grateful that he's still even relevant at this point. He easily could've faded into the background like so many characters have, but no. They kept him around to have almost as much screen time as the main character.

Please, mate. You're acting like Vegeta fans should be like Piccolo/Krillin fans or something and be thankful when the writers throw a bone to their characters and that's just delusional. Vegeta fans always want more, him being a second fiddle is not enough, they want him to be the lead singer and their mentality is that only minor characters fans are satisfied with the little they receive.

I can't tell if you're defending that mentality or mocking it. But either way, I'm going to mock it. That is a stupid, entitled mentality that makes no sense. Like I said, Vegeta gets more screen time than any other character in this entire franchise except the main character. If you are unhappy with that, then you are spoiled and ungrateful. Simple as that.

I have never seen another fanbase behave like this. No one complains that Han Solo didn't get enough shine in Star Wars. He got TONS of screentime and was the second most relevant character next to Luke Skywalker, the entire reason that the story even existed to begin with. And people were happy with that, as they should've been.

It's not "throwing you a bone", it's dumping an entire truckload of bones on top of you that will last you forever.

[Olympian]

Doesn`t Toryama consider Super material in official sequel standing? I`m starting to think this needs to laid down under some FAQ everytime cannonballs are being discussed

He said he wrote BOG and RF as if he were continuing the original manga so I'd assume he does the same with Super's as they're continuing those 2 stories.

Yeah, I`ve read that online as well. The Super Manga is also leading up eventually to Goku training Ubb, so..not sure where the issue is.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Doesn`t Toryama consider Super material in official sequel standing? I`m starting to think this needs to laid down under some FAQ everytime cannonballs are being discussed

He said he wrote BOG and RF as if he were continuing the original manga so I'd assume he does the same with Super's as they're continuing those 2 stories.

Yeah, I`ve read that online as well. The Super Manga is also leading up eventually to Goku training Ubb, so..not sure where the issue is.

There's purists who think only the original 42 volumes count and mistakenly believe their headcanon is official.

[Pannaliciour]

Well, if it is the completed super saiyan blue from the manga, then it makes sense as to why goku and vegeta both can barely tag a supressed jiren (eps 124), as beerus one shotted a CSSB once he got serious, Jiren could do the same if he also decides to get serious.

What can Goku do.with this mastered ssjb? Kaioken times 20 couldn't do shit!

Perhaps its stronger than ssb kaioken x20. I mean, like the spoilers say, both of them wont be able to hardly do anything to jiren, and jiren is instead showing them more power. So idk.

That really wont make any sense! Thats like ssj android saga plus boost time 20 do be at least mssj 1? He would of wreck super perfect cell. No ssj2 gohan needed.

They mean he will recover to full stamina ssj blue I think.

[Miracles]

And Goku might potentially get Mastered SSB from the manga.

Which is also stupid because they're throwing things with no explanation in anime. Toyotaro at least explained why Goku could use SSJ God again and the concept of Mastered SSJB.

Why would the anime need to explain Goku using SSJ god? It never was stated to ever leave.

Well, if it is the completed super saiyan blue from the manga, then it makes sense as to why goku and vegeta both can barely tag a supressed jiren (eps 124), as beerus one shotted a CSSB once he got serious, Jiren could do the same if he also decides to get serious.

What can Goku do.with this mastered ssjb? Kaioken times 20 couldn't do shit!

It's not MSSB that Goku uses. He recovers all of his stamina so he is able to use the full power of his blue mode.

[TheRed259]

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