What Happened After the End?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:40 am

Rocketman wrote:
Kendamu wrote:Have fun bitching about free stuff, guys.
Just because you get something for free doesn't mean you should like it.

Not saying that you should. I personally just don't feel like wasting too much time on the bad parts of a story someone makes in their free time for nothing.

You can bitch all you want. That's why I said for you to have fun. Anything else would be against my personal outlook on if a person should be allowed to bitch or not.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:53 pm

FindKenshi wrote: Yes, if you couldn't tell, I absolutly hate Toyble's manga, and I hated it for no other reason then that this talent-lacking individual stole his artwork directly from the Dragonball manga, and even had the nerve to downplay this fact, playing it off with a hearty, "Oh, who cares?" Some people have such nerve.

I don't really know the whole story, but from what I hear, he/she didn't trace exactly from the pages. They just copied the poses with different characters. I personally don't think anything is wrong with that. It's like they copied the form, and then drew their character design on it. I do that sometimes with my fanmanga(Granted, I don't slap the paper ont he manga and trace, I do it by eye) and I usually learn techniques from doing that.

Anyway, my story.

Goku/Vegeta Jr. decided to go look for the famous "One Piece" treasure, and came across a village called Konohagakure. Unfortunately, the village was overrun by Hallows, so Goku/Vegeta Jr. had to become Soul Reapers to destroy them. In their gratitutde, the villagers of Konoha make the two their new Hokage's.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:10 pm

Rocketman wrote:
FindKenshi wrote:This fan manga is no different then every other crappy AF story, and it's going to become one of those lame "Include every character" stories that everyone thought it wouldn't.
Don't forget Gohan being an SSJ4 when that level is restricted to full-bloods only...

Actually, that's never made clear, Vegeta only says that his blood was 'tainted' when he was controlled by Baby.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:11 pm

Vegeta used the Namek Dragonballs to become immortal, figuring it would be better to live forever guarding the Earth than leave it in the hands of the retarded half-breeds. Also, he wouldn't have to go back to Hell if he never died.

desirecampbell wrote:Actually, that's never made clear, Vegeta only says that his blood was 'tainted' when he was controlled by Baby.

Right, so he had to be pure-blooded, which Gohan and the other kids aren't.

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:29 pm

Of course all of that takes second seat to the fact that... HE STOLE THE GODDAMN ART!!

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:52 pm

Calling Toyble a 'no talent' isn't exactly accurate. He..or she? can imitate Akira Toriyama's artwork almost flawlessly without looking at a source I'm sure. I'm guessing Toyble chose to copy certain panels just to capture the entire 'feel' of Toriyama's previous work. Also, it's a fan manga, don't take it so serious. For the most part, I think that Toyble's AF manga holds a lot of potential, from what I've seen and read so far. (I'm up to page 73)

Also, it seems as though many of you are quite hostile these days...but maybe it's just me.

Cartman Blues · Post by **Cartman Blues** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:00 pm

http://locoloboevents.com/mp3/scott.why ... s.128s.mp3

The song explains my message...

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:04 pm

Thanks for gettin' the damn song stuck in my head bro.

I've never heard that song in it's entirety before. Thanks I guess haha. I think the entire lot of us should sit in a circle and start singing our hearts out to this song.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:46 pm

Snail wrote:I've never heard that song in it's entirety before. Thanks I guess haha. I think the entire lot of us should sit in a circle and start singing our hearts out to this song.

I hate that song.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:29 pm

Rocketman wrote:Right, so he had to be pure-blooded, which Gohan and the other kids aren't.

Nothing is ever mentioned that being part human would impede the transformation to SSj4. Vegeta's body was literally invaded by an alien being, and was, again, literally mutating because of it.

FindKenshi wrote:Of course all of that takes second seat to the fact that... HE STOLE THE GODDAMN ART!!

Stealing it implies one of two things:

1. He broke into Toriyama's office and physically took the drawings.
2. He is passing off copied artwork as his own.

I think you're implying the later (though that's not what 'steal' means), but fail to realize that he has no malicious intent. He posted about this specifically very early on. Something along the lines of "Yes, it's traced - I hope you can still enjoy it" and there's a picture of Gohan struggling to draw next to a computer.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:40 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Nothing is ever mentioned that being part human would impede the transformation to SSj4. Vegeta's body was literally invaded by an alien being

So was ChiChi's.

and was, again, literally mutating because of it.

So, he wasn't really a Saiyan when Baby controlled him, alright. But Gohan's not a Saiyan either.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:00 pm

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Nothing is ever mentioned that being part human would impede the transformation to SSj4. Vegeta's body was literally invaded by an alien being
So was ChiChi's.

WIN.
I'd quote that if I had room.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:02 am

Rocketman wrote:So, he wasn't really a Saiyan when Baby controlled him, alright. But Gohan's not a Saiyan either.

Because you say he's not? You're asserting something, 'non full-blooded Saiyans cannot become SSj4', but you fail to produce any proof. Do you have any actual reason to believe that having a non Saiyan parent would restrict that SSj form?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:06 am

desirecampbell wrote:Because you say he's not?

No, because his momma was a human.

You're asserting something, 'non full-blooded Saiyans cannot become SSj4', but you fail to produce any proof.

You just said the proof a few posts ago. Vegeta couldn't go SSJ4 when his blood wasn't pure. Half-breeds don't have pure blood.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:52 am

Rocketman wrote:
desirecampbell wrote:Because you say he's not?
No, because his momma was a human.

You're asserting something, 'non full-blooded Saiyans cannot become SSj4', but you fail to produce any proof.
You just said the proof a few posts ago. Vegeta couldn't go SSJ4 when his blood wasn't pure. Half-breeds don't have pure blood.

Except for the fact that Vegeta was still a full blood Saiya-jin. Baby was invading his body and altering it but Vegeta wasn't suddenly a half Saiya-jin. Vegeta couldn't go SSJ4 because he was infected by a parasite. Last I checked Gohan wasn't infected by a parasite.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:57 am

Rocketman wrote:
You're asserting something, 'non full-blooded Saiyans cannot become SSj4', but you fail to produce any proof.
You just said the proof a few posts ago. Vegeta couldn't go SSJ4 when his blood wasn't pure. Half-breeds don't have pure blood.

Vegeta said his blood was tainted, and was obviously referring to Baby. He said nothing about being a hybrid. You're putting words in his mouth, he didn't say 'my blood is tainted, and I'm no more a Saiyan than Gohan, and therefore cannot become a SSj4', he just said 'my blood is tainted'. Through your logic it could also mean 'my blood is tainted, and my hair is white, and therefore cannot become a SSj4.'

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:16 am

desirecampbell wrote:Vegeta said his blood was tainted, and was obviously referring to Baby. He said nothing about being a hybrid. You're putting words in his mouth, he didn't say 'my blood is tainted, and I'm no more a Saiyan than Gohan, and therefore cannot become a SSj4', he just said 'my blood is tainted'. Through your logic it could also mean 'my blood is tainted, and my hair is white, and therefore cannot become a SSj4.'

Well, yeah, since pure-blood Saiyans only have black hair.

I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp. "My blood was tainted" -> Need pure blood to go SSJ4 -> Hybrids don't have pure blood. -> Hybrids can't go SSJ4.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:27 am

Rocketman wrote:I don't see why this is so difficult to grasp. "My blood was tainted" -> Need pure blood to go SSJ4 -> Hybrids don't have pure blood. -> Hybrids can't go SSJ4.

It's that second part where you go wrong. There's nothing said about his blood being tainted by a parasite baring any resemblance with genetic markers.

[ Vegeta has a parasite > he said that was the reason he couldn't go SSj4 ]

That's all we have. By your logic we could say [ Vegeta has a parasite > he got white hair > anyone with white hair cannot become a SSj4 ]. It's completely asinine.

Let's look at other possible factors:
Gohan: half-Saiyan > known personally to go SSj2 > half-breeds known to go to SSj3.
Vegeta: full-Saiyan > known personally to go SSj2 > full-bloods known to go to SSj4.
Baby Vegeta: full-Saiyan infected with parasite > could not even transform into SSj properly.

From this we can surmise that it's not just SSj4 that is affected by Baby, but all SSj transformations. Nothing to do with how 'pure' his blood was.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:03 pm

desirecampbell wrote:From this we can surmise that it's not just SSj4 that is affected by Baby, but all SSj transformations. Nothing to do with how 'pure' his blood was.

Baby-Gohan, Goten, and Trunks had no problem going SSJ/SSJ2.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:30 pm

Erm..just read what Xyex said Rocketman. All cleared up