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Super Perfect-Cell

Post by goodguy777 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:12 am

Is it true that Cell can destroy the whole solar system? Is it hyperbole or not?
It's a gag manga! It never was nor was it meant to be scientifically sound or accurate.

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Post by Xyex » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:40 am

Well, we're never presented with any direct evidence that he wasn't exagerating about being able to destroy the solar system with his Kamehameha. But we're never presented with any direct evidence that he was exagerating either. But given the context I don't really see reason for him to be making exagerated boasts about his power.
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Post by FindKenshi » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:55 am

I agree, Cell had no tactical advantage to gain by making that claim. I see no reason to take his words as anything but the truth. At the very worst, you could call it a delusion of grandure. I cannot see any justification in calling it a "bluff", though.

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Post by Casual Matt » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:54 am

Yeah, whether he could or not is a tricky question. The answer is easily maybe. He could probably at least blow up the sun, and that'd fuck everybody over, anyway.

Either way, he was definitely serious about trying. And with his power, that's the kind of threat to take seriously, because either way, the Earth was screwed.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Toriyama Boss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:03 pm

goodguy777 wrote:Is it true that Cell can destroy the whole solar system? Is it hyperbole or not?
It's a canon fact that Cell could destroy the entire Star system. Anyone else who states otherwise is simply ignoring the comic.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by desirecampbell » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:19 pm

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goodguy777 wrote:Is it true that Cell can destroy the whole solar system? Is it hyperbole or not?
It's a canon fact that Cell could destroy the entire Star system. Anyone else who states otherwise is simply ignoring the comic.
Cell stated he could do it. That DOES NOT mean it's true. It would seem that he wasn't bluffing (because there's no reason to) but that doesn't mean he was right.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Toriyama Boss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:24 pm

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goodguy777 wrote:Is it true that Cell can destroy the whole solar system? Is it hyperbole or not?
It's a canon fact that Cell could destroy the entire Star system. Anyone else who states otherwise is simply ignoring the comic.
Cell stated he could do it. That DOES NOT mean it's true. It would seem that he wasn't bluffing (because there's no reason to) but that doesn't mean he was right.
No other character refuted his claim...Matter of fact they acknowledged the fact that Cell's ki was rising rapidly.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by desirecampbell » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:33 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote:No other character refuted his claim...Matter of fact they acknowledged the fact that Cell's ki was rising rapidly.
The characters do not have perfect knowledge. They all thought he could do it, he thought he could do it - he probably could have done it. I'm just saying there's no proof.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:36 pm

Well; Gohan's chi was reduced to half of what it was, and no one else could do anything against Cell at that point. So; what's wrong with Cell adding a little despair into Gohan. He could've possesed the power to do such, but we don't know if he really could, because he never tried to.
Matter of fact they acknowledged the fact that Cell's ki was rising rapidly.
Where does it say that?
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Toriyama Boss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:38 pm

desirecampbell wrote:The characters do not have perfect knowledge. They all thought he could do it, he thought he could do it - he probably could have done it. I'm just saying there's no proof.
The characters can sense how powerful an attack can be....The proof is the story defining Cell's power at that point and time but Whatever I don't really care, I just go off of the story.
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by desirecampbell » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:43 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote:The characters can sense how powerful an attack can be....The proof is the story defining Cell's power at that point and time.
That's not proof, that is good reason to think he could, but not actual proof. The only way we'd know if he could is A) if we'd seen someone else actually destroy a solar system (assuming similar size) and proof that Cell was equally or greater in power to them; or B) he'd actually done it. Neither happened so we don't know.

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Cell's more powerful than Freeza, and Freea could destroy a planet - so we know that Cell should be able to as well. But we have no information about system-level destruction.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:51 pm

The characters can sense how powerful an attack can be....The proof is the story defining Cell's power at that point and time but Whatever I don't really care, I just go off of the story.
This makes no sense. Cell stated "He had enough chi to blow away the Solar System" and nothing more. The narrator didnt' say such, therefore, those were just his words, since he never tried this. That's like saying; SSJ3 Goku at his maximum, would be powerful enough to take out Kid Buu, despite, Gohan's energy not being enough in the attack. Thus, Goku at his maximum would be more powerful then the "Super Spirit Bomb" he created.


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Never was it stated in that chapter that Cell's chi was rising.
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Casual Matt » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:54 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Toriyama Boss wrote:The characters can sense how powerful an attack can be....The proof is the story defining Cell's power at that point and time.
That's not proof, that is good reason to think he could, but not actual proof. The only way we'd know if he could is A) if we'd seen someone else actually destroy a solar system (assuming similar size) and proof that Cell was equally or greater in power to them; or B) he'd actually done it. Neither happened so we don't know.
Guys, can we try not to get too worked up about the semantics of it all?

I think the only real bottom line here is that he probably could do it.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:55 pm

It was hyperbole. Don't forget Cell has Vegeta's "bwahaha i am so awesome" traits.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:17 pm

Everyone forgets that villains reserve the rights to talk as much shit as they want, especially to a kid that almost killed him minutes prior. At that level, Cell probably could've but we can't really tell. Uhm, you think Dabura could do that kinda damage? :?
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Toriyama Boss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:06 pm

[quote="Super"Saiyan Turlast x4"]This makes no sense. Cell stated "He had enough chi to blow away the Solar System" and nothing more. The narrator didnt' say such, therefore, those were just his words, since he never tried this. That's like saying; SSJ3 Goku at his maximum, would be powerful enough to take out Kid Buu, despite, Gohan's energy not being enough in the attack. Thus, Goku at his maximum would be more powerful then the "Super Spirit Bomb" he created. [/quote]
desirecampbell wrote:That's not proof, that is good reason to think he could, but not actual proof. The only way we'd know if he could is A) if we'd seen someone else actually destroy a solar system (assuming similar size) and proof that Cell was equally or greater in power to them; or B) he'd actually done it. Neither happened so we don't know.

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Cell's more powerful than Freeza, and Freea could destroy a planet - so we know that Cell should be able to as well. But we have no information about system-level destruction.
Look dudes, I don't care, it's not a serious topic, many of you are nerd raging over a cartoon. The canon comic DEFINED Cell's power being strong enough to pulverize the entire star system, the Author's intent always takes president. I am simply going off the story and that is proof enough. What fan fiction states/wants doesn't matter at all.

Never was it stated in that chapter that Cell's chi was rising.
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:54 pm

Look dudes, I don't care, it's not a serious topic, many of you are nerd raging over a cartoon. The canon comic DEFINED Cell's power being strong enough to pulverize the entire star system, the Author's intent always takes president. I am simply going off the story and that is proof enough. What fan fiction states/wants doesn't matter at all.
First of all; I'm not a nerd. So, your ignorance just proves you're incompetent. You have yet to disprove my SSJ3 Goku example, so, why don't you go ahead and do that? Oh, yeah; you can't! Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are "raging" with you.

Gohan states Cell's ki was rising.
No. Gohan say's that "Cell's powers increased more then he thought."
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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Toriyama Boss » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:01 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:First of all; I'm not a nerd. So, your ignorance just proves you're incompetent. You have yet to disprove my SSJ3 Goku example, so, why don't you go ahead and do that? Oh, yeah; you can't! Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they are "raging" with you.
And Vegeta CONFIRMS Goku's statement that he can remove Buu from existence and? Also, I didn't call you a nerd I was referring to the fact that you guys were getting fits like a nerd, over analyzing a simple comic. Don't take anything personal, especially over the net.

No. Gohan say's that "Cell's powers increased more then he thought."
Ki is power.....

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by desirecampbell » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:08 pm

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desirecampbell wrote:
Toriyama Boss wrote:The characters can sense how powerful an attack can be....The proof is the story defining Cell's power
at that point and time.
That's not proof, that is good reason to think he could, but not actual proof. The only way we'd know if he could is A) if we'd seen someone else actually destroy a solar system (assuming similar size) and proof that Cell was equally or greater in power to them; or B) he'd actually done it. Neither happened so we don't know.

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Cell's more powerful than Freeza, and Freea could destroy a planet - so we know that Cell should be able to as well. But we have no information about system-level destruction.
Rebut that or shut the fuck up.

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Re: Super Perfect-Cell

Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:10 pm

And Vegeta CONFIRMS Goku's statement that he can remove Buu from existence and? Also, I didn't call you a nerd I was referring to the fact that you guys were getting fits like a nerd, over analyzing a simple comic. Don't take anything personal, especially over the net.
Alright; Vegeta does agree with Goku, but; if SSJ3 Goku at his maximum, could wipe Buu out, then that would mean, Goku's maximum is far superior to the Super Spirit Bomb (with Gohan's energy) that wasn't strong enough to vaporize Buu. Also; nothing was taken seriously; I just would rather someone disagree, then to add nonsense in the post. That's all.
Ki is power.....
But, you said "Cell's chi was rising", which is totally different from "His powers have increased more then I thought", since he knew how powerful Cell was after takin the beam for Vegeta.
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