The Durability of Immortality

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:25 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:The dragon could not grant that wish. It exceeds the powers of its creator.
I think Porunga even comments (when the wish is made to give Goku back hs energy to destroy Buu), "If all I must do is restore his energy to its normal state..." or something like that.

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Post by desirecampbell » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:27 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Here is what Vegeta should have wished for:

"Porunga, please, I wish to be the strongest fighter in the universe, no matter what comes in my way, I will always be stronger."

Now that's a good wish, cause even when Buu surfaced, Vegeta would instantly power up to be far stronger than him.
The dragon could not grant that wish. It exceeds the powers of its creator.
He might not have been able to grant that wish, but not because it's beyond his creator's power. The dragons can both bring back the dead - something their creators can't do.

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Post by Terra-jin » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:10 pm

Also remember that healing doesn't mean giving somebody the amount of energy that he can maximally have. It's a process of healing someone's injuries and restoring his 'rest' or whatever. The refreshed body can then output its max energy once again.

If Dende can do this, the dragons can, too.
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Post by SaiyaMel » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:23 pm

Well, if he manages to stay intact and continue healing - in theory i think it maybe be possible for immortal Vegeta to eventually get strong enough without actually going SSJ.
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Post by worldmonsters » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:38 am

Wouldn't you be able to ask for constant healing? Like... the wish'd be to heal me instantly every time I get an injury (tho I guess if there'd be instant death it might not work... or he would be wished alive instantly, but that wouldn't work after one time :p depending which dragon you asked the wish from :p)

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Post by Xyex » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:07 am

FindKenshi wrote:Well, the way I see it, if you are granted immortality, you shouldn't be able to take damage, period. For example, how Garlic Junior was able to get a hole put in his chest... that shouldn't have happened. A wound like that, means some of your cells have died. Death = enough of your cells have died, so that you cannot sustain yourself anymore. If you are immune to death, technically NO part of you should be capable of dieing. You should technically be able to walk through ssj27 Gogeta-kuhan's omega final blaster cannon, with a power level no higher then Roshi's turtle; and just walk right through the beam, pausing only to yawn.

That's just the way I envision it being. Also, as far as being picked up and forced into a star, or a black hole or something, they technically shouldn't be able to pick you up, or force you to move, no matter how strong they are. I know some of you would be thinking "But, Findkenshi, that's invincibility, not immortality." But technically, to me, if you're trully immortal, you should be invincible as well, just by extension. No one should be able to do anything to negatively influence your physical body, against your will.
Yeah, that's invincibility, not immortality. The two things are distinct concepts. The thing with Garlic Jr.'s hole through his body was just dumb. Not getting the hole, but the fact that it healed. Basicly, if you're immortal, you just can't die. Even if Trunks comes along and slices you up into a bite sized peices. You're in a hundred bits but you're still alive.
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Post by FindKenshi » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:09 pm

desirecampbell wrote:-you gain 'metaphorical' immortality by having your name remember by others.
That would be hillarious.

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Post by Pain » Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:50 pm

Ok Guys. Did anybody take into consideration how OLD Freeza actually is?!He looked the same when Bardock was around and according to the manga and anime that was 20 years ago. And Cooler and his own father must have been MUCH MUCH older. Since Cooler looks more masculane and older and King Cold is a GIANT so to speak,his race may grow bigger as they age, maybe Freeza's race had long lives. And as for Vegeta, he didn't really age much after the Cell saga. It's still a mystery of how old a Saiyan can get. And Son Goku got imortality from Shenron in GT's epilouge But that isn't considered canon so....maybe imortality was something that wasn't really needed for both races. And if you think about it, Goku was about......in his 40's or 50's when DBZ ended and still looked pretty young. So maybe Vegeta and Freeza were just a little greedy. :evil:

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