Super Perfect-Cell

[Toriyama Boss]

Alright; Vegeta does agree with Goku, but; if SSJ3 Goku at his maximum, could wipe Buu out, then that would mean, Goku's maximum is far superior to the Super Spirit Bomb (with Gohan's energy) that wasn't strong enough to vaporize Buu. Also; nothing was taken seriously; I just would rather someone disagree, then to add nonsense in the post. That's all.

Then it only means that Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku was as powerful as the GenkiDama.

But, you said "Cell's chi was rising", which is totally different from "His powers have increased more then I thought", since he knew how powerful Cell was after takin the beam for Vegeta.

That's the same thing.

[desirecampbell]

You're changing your argument, but trying to make it seem like you're not. You're doing it because your "argument" has been proven wrong.

Either come up with new arguments, or stop acting like an idiot.

[Toriyama Boss]

You're changing your argument, but trying to make it seem like you're not. You're doing it because your "argument" has been proven wrong.

Either come up with new arguments, or stop acting like an idiot.

I am not changing anything, my argument has been consistent and never been dis proven because I am simply going off of the comic.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Then it only means that Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku was as powerful as the GenkiDama.

Which isn't true, because that means SSJ3 Goku is likely more powerful then Gohan. We all know that isn't true.

But, you said "Cell's chi was rising", which is totally different from "His powers have increased more then I thought", since he knew how powerful Cell was after takin the beam for Vegeta.

That's the same thing.

Well, it's really not. That would mean his "chi is constantly rising", which it wasn't.

[desirecampbell]

I am not changing anything, my argument has been consistent and never been dis proven because I am simply going off of the comic.

Right...

Matter of fact they acknowledged the fact that Cell's ki was rising rapidly.

Where does it say that?

Volume 35 Chapter: 414!

Never was it stated in that chapter that Cell's chi was rising.

414: 思わぬ形勢逆転
Omowanu Keisei Gyakuten
Unanticipated Situation Reversal
Gohan states Cell's ki was rising.

No. Gohan say's that "Cell's powers increased more then he thought."

Ki is power.....

But, you said "Cell's chi was rising", which is totally different from "His powers have increased more then I thought", since he knew how powerful Cell was after takin the beam for Vegeta.

Notice how Cell was increasing his ki to power-up the Kamehameha attack. His power was increasing (ki) for the atack.

But then you changed it to:

That's the same thing.

You change your arguments. That's what you do all the time. Everyone got fed up with you, and like your arguments, you changed your name. You're an idiot.


To end this: Cell says he can do it, but he doesn't, and there's no proof as to if he could do it or not. That's it. If you have proof, post it - otherwise *pwfftt* jog on.

[Toriyama Boss]

Which isn't true, because that means SSJ3 Goku is likely more powerful then Gohan. We all know that isn't true.

Wait? What do you mean?
Are you saying that Kid Buu is as powerful as Super Buu? Who siad that SAME amount of energy required to kill Kid Buu would be the same to kill Super Buu (The one Gohan fought)?

Well, it's really not. That would mean his "chi is constantly rising", which it wasn't.

Obviously it was because Cell confirms he was gathering Ki; gathered enough to smash the entire Star system.

@DesireCampbell: You didn't point out anything about my argument changing.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Wait? What do you mean?
Are you saying that Kid Buu is as powerful as Super Buu? Who siad that SAME amount of energy required to kill Kid Buu would be the same to kill Super Buu (The one Gohan fought)?

No. I think Super Buu is more powerful then Kid Buu. I'm just saying; if you imply that SSJ3 Goku>>Super Spirit Bomb (Gohan's energy); then, SSJ3 Goku>Kid Buu>Gohan>Super Buu, which isn't true. It's confusing, really.

Well, it's really not. That would mean his "chi is constantly rising", which it wasn't.

Obviously it was because Cell confirms he was gathering Ki; gathered enough to smash the entire Star system.

I'm confused? Gohan talked about Cell's power before he began to charge the beam. Once Cell began to charge the beam, Gohan said nothing about his "chi rising" at that point. Even if he did; we know the beam doubles the power, so that would be quite obvious.

[Toriyama Boss]

No. I think Super Buu is more powerful then Kid Buu. I'm just saying; if you imply that SSJ3 Goku>>Super Spirit Bomb (Gohan's energy); then, SSJ3 Goku>Kid Buu>Gohan>Super Buu, which isn't true. It's confusing, really.

I said AS powerful as the spirit bomb, not stronger.

I'm confused? Gohan talked about Cell's power before he began to charge the beam. Once Cell began to charge the beam, Gohan said nothing about his "chi rising" at that point. Even if he did; we know the beam doubles the power, so that would be quite obvious.

You have to realize Cell was charging up as soon as he says the fun is over, and then Gohan talks about Cell's power.

[Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece]

Buu is the only one who ever destroys an entire celestial body that we can prove. And even the scene that I'm thinking of may be filler.

No one else ever is shown to destroy more than a planet, so we can't say that they had the ability to.

Hell, it's not like it was the first time we've heard some BS from a villain. Freeza constantly said he would kill Goku, but did he?

And later on Pui Pui was dishing out all sorts of shit talk that got forcefully lodged back down his esophagus by Vegita.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I said AS powerful as the spirit bomb, not stronger.

Even with that; you're implying that SSJ3 Goku is more powerful then Gohan, along with Kid Buu being more powerful then Gohan as well.

You have to realize Cell was charging up as soon as he says the fun is over, and then Gohan talks about Cell's power.

Gohan talked about Cell's power, due to the fact that half of his power was depleted because of one chi-blast. He couldn't believe how powerful Cell had gotten.

[Xyex]

The fact is just because someone says they can do something doesn't mean they can. Vegeta said he could beat Goku, Freeza, 18, and Perfect Cell... and couldn't. Freeza said he could beat Goku and couldn't. Vegeta said he was a Super Saiya-jin and wasn't. The fact is you need action to back up the words to have solid proof the person is right.

I said AS powerful as the spirit bomb, not stronger.

Super Spirit Bomb > Mystic Gohan > Super Buu > Kid Buu > SSJ3 Goku = Super Spirit Bomb? That's impossible, it doesn't work.

[goodguy777]

The fact is just because someone says they can do something doesn't mean they can. Vegeta said he could beat Goku, Freeza, 18, and Perfect Cell... and couldn't. Freeza said he could beat Goku and couldn't. Vegeta said he was a Super Saiya-jin and wasn't. The fact is you need action to back up the words to have solid proof the person is right.

Goku, Freeza, 18 and Perfect Cell are living things and not inanimate like planets and solar system. I mean Goku, Freeza, 18 and Perfect Cell can fight and increase their powers while planets and solar system can't, so the argument is different.

[Captain Awesome]

I mean Goku, Freeza, 18 and Perfect Cell can fight and increase their powers while planets and solar system can't, so the argument is different.

Well, I think that we can all agree that Pluto's battle power has decreased dramatically..

Only an incredible zenkai could hope to get Pluto back into the Solar System Special Forces...

...

I REGRET NOTHING!

/runs away

[Casual Matt]

Umm, isn't comparing the strength of the Super Genki Dama to Ultimate Gohan's strength like comparing apples and oranges? They're not the same.

I mean, Ultimate Gohan was strong enough to fight the pure Majin Boo until he weakened him enough to finish him off. Afterall, that's what he was doing to the evil Boo. Now, the Genki Dama just with Gohan's Genki could have hurt Boo, sure. Maybe even wiped him out. But it was a one shot deal. The Genki Dama couldn't spin around and hit Boo again or something. They needed to vaporize him in one shot. Ultimate Gohan might have been able to do that himself. But there's obvious evidence here that just his Genki alone could not. At least probably not in one hit, which was all they had. And they weren't about to take a gamble with their last chance.

Similarly, how can we really compare SSj3 Goku with the Genki Dama? I mean, just because they're both strong enough to defeat Boo doesn't mean either one has more energy than the other.

And I just want to mention that I honestly think SSj3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan are around the same strength. It's just that Goku's SSj3 transformation drains ki like an original Game Boy drains batteries, while Gohan doesn't waste any energy, making his far more effective, and seem much more powerful. (Unfortunately Goku is still a much better fighter as evidenced briefly by their encounters with Gotenks absorbed Boo.)

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Umm, isn't comparing the strength of the Super Genki Dama to Ultimate Gohan's strength like comparing apples and oranges? They're not the same.

I mean, Ultimate Gohan was strong enough to fight the pure Majin Boo until he weakened him enough to finish him off. Afterall, that's what he was doing to the evil Boo. Now, the Genki Dama just with Gohan's Genki could have hurt Boo, sure. Maybe even wiped him out. But it was a one shot deal. The Genki Dama couldn't spin around and hit Boo again or something. They needed to vaporize him in one shot. Ultimate Gohan might have been able to do that himself. But there's obvious evidence here that just his Genki alone could not. At least probably not in one hit, which was all they had. And they weren't about to take a gamble with their last chance.

Similarly, how can we really compare SSj3 Goku with the Genki Dama? I mean, just because they're both strong enough to defeat Boo doesn't mean either one has more energy than the other.

And I just want to mention that I honestly think SSj3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan are around the same strength. It's just that Goku's SSj3 transformation drains ki like an original Game Boy drains batteries, while Gohan doesn't waste any energy, making his far more effective, and seem much more powerful. (Unfortunately Goku is still a much better fighter as evidenced briefly by their encounters with Gotenks absorbed Boo.)

Actually, the comparison is quite different. But, we were saying SSJ3 Goku, who believed he would wipe Buu out if he gathered his chi, shouldn't be powerful enough to do something, that a spirit bomb with Gohan's energy couldn't. Having Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo in the equation makes it even more impossible for Goku to be able to do such.

Goku is the better fighter. The thing is; Goku showed on more then one occasion to not want to fight Super Buu; who was no match for Gohan using little effort. Gohan is definitely more powerful then SSJ3 Goku, as well as Super Gotenks.

[Victator Supreme]

Goku was dead when Gohan was thrashing Super Buu. So he had no choice in the matter.

I think full power Super Saiyan 3 Goku was just as powerful as Gohan. I also think he could have killed Super Buu at full power.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku was dead when Gohan was thrashing Super Buu. So he had no choice in the matter.

I think full power Super Saiyan 3 Goku was just as powerful as Gohan. I also think he could have killed Super Buu at full power.

Um, no, Goku was alive when Gotenks Buu reverted to Piccolo Buu, which was a huge power decrease. Buu absorbed Piccolo because of his intelligence, so the power increase was likely next to nothing. Goku could've fought that Buu, but, he didn't. He said "Gohan can beat you now", without including himself. Goku also didn't want to fight Super Buu after they freed everyone from him. Vegeta was ready to go fight Buu, but Goku said that "Buu was too powerful for them to fight without fusion", and they would get their asses handed to them.

If Goku could've beaten Super Buu at his maximum, then there would have been no reason for him to try to avoid fighting Buu without fusion.

[Victator Supreme]

Goku was dead when Gohan was thrashing Super Buu. So he had no choice in the matter.

I think full power Super Saiyan 3 Goku was just as powerful as Gohan. I also think he could have killed Super Buu at full power.

Um, no, Goku was alive when Gotenks Buu reverted to Piccolo Buu, which was a huge power decrease. Buu absorbed Piccolo because of his intelligence, so the power increase was likely next to nothing. Goku could've fought that Buu, but, he didn't. He said "Gohan can beat you now", without including himself. Goku also didn't want to fight Super Buu after they freed everyone from him. Vegeta was ready to go fight Buu, but Goku said that "Buu was too powerful for them to fight without fusion", and they would get their asses handed to them.

If Goku could've beaten Super Buu at his maximum, then there would have been no reason for him to try to avoid fighting Buu without fusion.

I was referring to base Super Buu.

Goku left Piccolo Buu to Gohan for the same reason he did not finish Fat Buu when he had the chance. He felt it was time for a new generation to defend the Earth.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I was referring to base Super Buu.

Goku left Piccolo Buu to Gohan for the same reason he did not finish Fat Buu when he had the chance. He felt it was time for a new generation to defend the Earth.

No, he didn't. Goku was alive at that point, and was prepared to fuse with Gohan in order to take Buu down, so the next gen thing doesn't even matter at that point. He was even ready to go fight Gotenks Buu before Shin suggested they fuse with the potara. If Goku could've beaten Piccolo Buu, he would've said such, or, he would've attacked him. When Goku fought Majin Buu, he was no longer of that world, so it's different. Also; saying Goku is as powerful as Gohan, means; Goku is also stronger then Super Gotenks, which he's not.

Another thing; the example of Goku wanting to avoid fighting base Super Buu, when he was with Vegeta, is the best point that will help you understand the difference between Goku and Gohan's powers. Goku believed they would need fusion to beat Super Buu; Gohan beats the shit out of Buu, using little effort. That tell's you Gohan is more powerful then SSJ3 Goku.

[caejones]

This is the song that never ends...
And it goes on and on my friends...
Somebody started singing it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll just keep on singing it because...


*ahem*. So, yeah. Cell blows stuff up. Genki dama works differently from a fighter. Gohan is clearly stronger than Goku, and Cell blows stuff up.