Freeza

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:34 pm

It was stated that Freeza can survive the vacuum of space. Does it mean that Freeza can also travel in space?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:05 pm

Presumably. There's no reason he wouldn't be able to fly around.

Post by **Herms** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:08 pm

Presumably. I'm pretty sure that's how he intended to escape from Namek once it exploded. After Goku does give Freeza some of his energy in order for him to escape, he mocks Goku for planning on escaping by spaceship, so he presumably wasn't planning on doing that himself. That and some other dialouge throughout their battle suggests that he is able to travel through space on his own

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:19 pm

I guess. Reason he probably doesn't is because it takes quite a while to float from planet to planet.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:20 pm

Bura wrote:I guess. Reason he probably doesn't is because it takes quite a while to float from planet to planet.

Indeed. Freeza may be fast, but he can hardly be compared to warp speed. As Goku pointed out (at least in the dub), he'd basically have to just "drift". Without a ship or a teleporting ability, the ability to not have to breath doesn't help if you can't get yourself somewhere.

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:02 am

Well, technically, if no other saga had happened after the Freeza saga, it would indeed appear as if he were capable of faster-than-light speed. After all, the feats in the Freeza saga were amazing, and then all power feats got scaled back starting with the android saga.

But to see Freeza stand in place and pull a "matrix" on three ultra-warriors, including one who has a BP over a million, and then to see him and Goku fight that long epic battle that took place in the span of five minutes (including breaks in the combat to converse), Freeza looks like one bad dude. Also, if one wanted to include Anime-only material, then Kaiosama stated they were moving so fast, even he couldn't track their movements...and yet this is the same Kaiosama who was able to track Goku's faster-than-light progress on the spaceship heading to Namek.

If only Mr. Toriyama hadn't scaled back the SHOW of force after that saga. Anyway, it's a very big pet peave of mine, so I have to thank you VERY thankfully, mr. Topic Creator, for saying survive in space, instead of "breathe" in space.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:43 pm

And then the feats were scaled back even further once GT rolled around.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:21 pm

FindKenshi wrote:Well, technically, if no other saga had happened after the Freeza saga, it would indeed appear as if he were capable of faster-than-light speed.

That's not possible.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:04 pm

Rocketman wrote:
FindKenshi wrote:Well, technically, if no other saga had happened after the Freeza saga, it would indeed appear as if he were capable of faster-than-light speed.
That's not possible.

Agreed, since the only instance of such an ability is shoukanidou(sp?).

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:35 am

Instantaneous Movement was not light speed. It was instant.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:54 am

Duo wrote:Instantaneous Movement was not light speed. It was instant.

Goku stated he traveled at the speed of light with the ability, hence why his teleporting Kamehame-Ha attack on Cell is called "Warp Kamehame-Ha". Was the dub wrong in having him state "186,000 miles per second"? Someone with Viz manga and/or Daimao subs help out, please.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:22 am

There's no statement of any such indication in the Manga.

Come now, Conan, I thought you knew me better than that

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:41 am

If Freeza can't travel in space, then he will be stuck in space forever and die (since he is not immortal). And that will ruin the statement in the manga that Freeza can survive in the vacuum of space.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:54 am

Duo wrote:Come now, Conan, I thought you knew me better than that

Well, kinda hurts things that my manga collection is very low. ^^;

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:10 am

Duo wrote:Instantaneous Movement was not light speed. It was instant.

And is therefore faster than light

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:24 pm

No, there's a difference between it and super speed. With speed, the user is physically traversing the distance between point A and point B, while with the Shunkan Idou, the user simply disappears at point A, only to reappear at point B.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:30 pm

I'd say he could definitely travel in space. Didn't Cell say that was what he was going to do after he destroyed earth?

Kikoha Hater · Post by **Kikoha Hater** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:49 pm

I know the dub outright stated it while the Japanese implied it. I thought it was stupid how the anime had Cell state that he inherited Freeza's cold merciless unfeeling heart and not his ability to survive in space; I wonder how that scene was handled in the manga? One of the few moments that I preferred the dub’s dialogue over the original.

FindKenshi · Post by **FindKenshi** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:06 pm

Rocketman wrote:
FindKenshi wrote:Well, technically, if no other saga had happened after the Freeza saga, it would indeed appear as if he were capable of faster-than-light speed.
That's not possible.

Yes, because we know that Dragonball follows the laws of physics like a bible...

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:48 pm

Dub Roshi, reacting to Goku's amazing feats of wonder: "... but when it comes to the laws of physics, he's a wanted man!"
(Yeah, I don't remember the first part of the quote.

. ).

Still... DBZ's evidence of FTL (in individuals moving, anyway) is unsubstantiable (is that a word?). As for Freeza... he may have been fast enough to make a reasonable journey from planet to planet within a solar system (assuming he can maneuver in space... something about ki... Meh.). But since King Cold showed up pretty quickly to rescue him, it wouldn't surprise me if Freeza was expecting to hitch a ride had his "detonate the core" plan ... gone as planned.
(Yeah... I still don't see how 1/(1-v^2/c^2)) makes any sense... *needs books*).