Akita TV broadcasts with different Kikuchi music

[TheRed259]

Back then, I think there was a TV channel in Japan called Akita TV which aired DragonBall Z Kai with different Kikuchi soundtracks. I remember having seen a video on YouTube with the Z-Fighters Vs the Cell Juniors and this track from Movie 1 was playing in the background. Does anyone have any clips from this TV version with the alternative soundtracks?

[JohnnyCashKami]

I remember seeing short clips of Toonzai using alternate Kikuchi music on Kai scenes than the ones used officially and I loved it. Too bad it was just temporary and the final version was an annoying, repetitive sack of shit background score.

[TheRed259]

I remember seeing short clips of Toonzai using alternate Kikuchi music on Kai scenes than the ones used officially and I loved it. Too bad it was just temporary and the final version was an annoying, repetitive sack of shit background score.

Yeah, I remember these ones too. Vegeta finds out that Gohan and Krillin have taken the DragonBalls from him and sees Porunga for the 1st time while a track from Movie 12 plays in the background.

[JohnnyCashKami]

I remember seeing short clips of Toonzai using alternate Kikuchi music on Kai scenes than the ones used officially and I loved it. Too bad it was just temporary and the final version was an annoying, repetitive sack of shit background score.

Yeah, I remember these ones too. Vegeta finds out that Gohan and Krillin have taken the DragonBalls from him and sees Porunga for the 1st time while a track from Movie 12 plays in the background.

That's exactly it! Do you have a link to that video? Would love to watch it again.

[JohnnyCashKami]

Tried searching, searching and searching but couldn't find the video. Should have saved it, bummer.

Anyone has it to reupload?

[TheRed259]

Do you have a link to that video?

No, I don't.

[TheRed259]

I finally found the video I was talking about!
https://twitter.com/nappasan/status/1082272944573665281

[JohnnyCashKami]

I finally found the video I was talking about!
https://twitter.com/nappasan/status/1082272944573665281

This is indeed very interesting and a piece of history about Dragon Ball Kai's music change from 'Temporary Kikuchi' to 'Permanent Kikuchi'. If there's any others, TheRed259, please post them.

Thanks.

[TheRed259]

I finally found the video I was talking about!
https://twitter.com/nappasan/status/1082272944573665281

This is indeed very interesting and a piece of history about Dragon Ball Kai's music change from 'Temporary Kikuchi' to 'Permanent Kikuchi'. If there's any others, TheRed259, please post them.

Thanks.

You will find some other videos in the replies of this tweet. Don't know if there are other clips online though. Maybe that Japanese fan on Twitter has more, don't know.

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

What the fuck? Why didn't they go with the "temporary Kikuchi" placement? It's so much better!

Toei never fails to let me down even more than they already have. First Boo kai's existence (and green tint), then Super's terrible art and animation for eps. 001-028, then Broly's green tint in the Funimation release... Now this.

[TheRed259]

Tried searching, searching and searching but couldn't find the video. Should have saved it, bummer.

Anyone has it to reupload?

I found on Twitter another scene (not the one with Porunga) where they used that soundtrack from Movie 12.
https://twitter.com/nappasan/status/1188160420567080961

[Jesta']

I found on Twitter another scene (not the one with Porunga) where they used that soundtrack from Movie 12.
https://twitter.com/nappasan/status/1188160420567080961

Ok, that was an amazing music choice!

[Robo4900]

I wonder if "Temporary Kikuchi" was doing proper, specific, manual placements of Kikuchi pieces. Then, Toei decided that was not worth doing for all 98 episodes, so they switched to the method I'm given to understand Kikuchi Kai to have used in the end, of simply replacing all instances of any given Yamamo piece with a similar-enough-sounding Kikuchi piece.

[kei17]

I wonder if "Temporary Kikuchi" was doing proper, specific, manual placements of Kikuchi pieces. Then, Toei decided that was not worth doing for all 98 episodes, so they switched to the method I'm given to understand Kikuchi Kai to have used in the end, of simply replacing all instances of any given Yamamo piece with a similar-enough-sounding Kikuchi piece.

No, that's not the case. In the "Temporary Kikuchi" version, they used all the tracks included in the 3-disc set soundtrack release except for the ones containing the melodies of Cha-La Head-Cha-La. In the final version, however, they excluded all the mono tracks (a few of them left intact accidentally) for the sake of consistency, and the ones from DBZ movie 3, 12, and 13 were also ruled over for some reason though they are mixed in stereo. Maybe there was some rights issue for the home video release. With the accessible music tracks even more limited, the final music placements ended up being very repetitive, boring, and unfitting. Also, the temporary music placements seem to have been done by Yukio Nagasaki, the audio director of Kai, himself, but since they had to deal with all the 98 episodes in a short period of time, they had no choice but to hire multiple audio directors to do the music placements simultaneously. They had never been involved with the franchise before, which didn't help and lead to the robotic replacement method.

For your information, Satoshi Motoyama, one of the said audio directors hired for the Kikuchi-Kai, continued to be involved in the production of Buu Kai, and its music placements were totally butchered by him. Their fuckery in Kai never ceases to amaze me.

[Naruto6583]

I wonder if "Temporary Kikuchi" was doing proper, specific, manual placements of Kikuchi pieces. Then, Toei decided that was not worth doing for all 98 episodes, so they switched to the method I'm given to understand Kikuchi Kai to have used in the end, of simply replacing all instances of any given Yamamo piece with a similar-enough-sounding Kikuchi piece.

No, that's not the case. In the "Temporary Kikuchi" version, they used all the tracks included in the 3-disc set soundtrack release except for the ones containing the melodies of Cha-La Head-Cha-La. In the final version, however, they excluded all the mono tracks (a few of them left intact accidentally) for the sake of consistency, and the ones from DBZ movie 3, 12, and 13 were also ruled over for some reason though they are mixed in stereo. Maybe there was some rights issue for the home video release. With the accessible music tracks even more limited, the final music placements ended up being very repetitive, boring, and unfitting. Also, the temporary music placements seem to have been done by Yukio Nagasaki, the audio director of Kai, himself, but since they had to deal with all the 98 episodes in a short period of time, they had no choice but to hire multiple audio directors to do the music placements simultaneously. They had never been involved with the franchise before, which didn't help and lead to the robotic replacement method.

For your information, Satoshi Motoyama, one of the said audio directors hired for the Kikuchi-Kai, continued to be involved in the production of Buu Kai, and its music placements were totally butchered by him. Their fuckery in Kai never ceases to amaze me.

Did Yukio Nagasaki have any input with Buu kai or was it mostly Satoshi Motoyama?

[kei17]

Did Yukio Nagasaki have any input with Buu kai or was it mostly Satoshi Motoyama?

Nagasaki worked only on the direction of voice recordings. Motoyama was in charge of everything music-related.

[Robo4900]

Did Yukio Nagasaki have any input with Buu kai or was it mostly Satoshi Motoyama?

Nagasaki worked only on the direction of voice recordings. Motoyama was in charge of everything music-related.

So, would Motoyama have been the one who chose Sumitomo as the composer to replace Yamamoto too?

[JulieYBM]

Did Yukio Nagasaki have any input with Buu kai or was it mostly Satoshi Motoyama?

Nagasaki worked only on the direction of voice recordings. Motoyama was in charge of everything music-related.

So, would Motoyama have been the one who chose Sumitomo as the composer to replace Yamamoto too?

That would likely have been up to the producer for Dragon Ball Kai: The Final Chapters. Motoyama just places the music based on instructions from the episode director or series director.

[kei17]

Did Yukio Nagasaki have any input with Buu kai or was it mostly Satoshi Motoyama?

Nagasaki worked only on the direction of voice recordings. Motoyama was in charge of everything music-related.

So, would Motoyama have been the one who chose Sumitomo as the composer to replace Yamamoto too?

I don't think so. Nagasaki and Sumitomo were both involved in the production of Asura in 2012, so my guess is that this lead to Sumitomo's participation in Buu Kai.

[Robo4900]

That would likely have been up to the producer for Dragon Ball Kai: The Final Chapters. Motoyama just places the music based on instructions from the episode director or series director.

Ah, I see.

I don't think so. Nagasaki and Sumitomo were both involved in the production of Asura in 2012, so my guess is that this lead to Sumitomo's participation in Buu Kai.

Oh, interesting. That's kinda neat.
I never really looked into this honestly, so this is interesting and new to me; I'm very solidly not a fan of Sumitomo's Dragon Ball scoring, and I still don't get why they didn't bring Tokunaga back for Kai, TFC, Super, etc. (I'm given to understand GT was quite well-liked in Japan? People were just generally done with the series already, so people just didn't tune in, was always my understanding... So it just seems really odd to me that Tokunaga wasn't brought back. He did fantastic work), and the general incompetence around the production of this stuff can frustrate me, so I've never really taken the time to look into this stuff in depth.