"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[TheRed259]

It’s getting more and more likely that Vegeta will be the one to finally get the final win! It would be nice, especially with all the focus he got during this arc. He’s also Toyotaro’s favorite so it would be expected for Vegeta to get the win in an arc mostly written by Toyotaro.

Toyotaro stated in the 2nd volume of the DBS Manga that his true favorite character is Son Goku.

[Matches Malone]

Toyotaro stated in the 2nd volume of the DBS Manga that his true favorite character is Son Goku.

This is true, but he's also gone out of his way to make Vegeta look very good, even if it sacrifices the integrity of others (Black). He also allowed Vegeta to get the last attack on fused Zamasu before Zeno stepped in. That of course doesn't mean Vegeta will be the main star, but going by how the last person to show up tends to take care of things, it's looking very likely now.

[Yasai9001]

Toyotaro stated in the 2nd volume of the DBS Manga that his true favorite character is Son Goku.

This is true, but he's also gone out of his way to make Vegeta look very good, even if it sacrifices the integrity of others (Black). He also allowed Vegeta to get the last attack on fused Zamasu before Zeno stepped in. That of course doesn't mean Vegeta will be the main star, but going by how the last person to show up tends to take care of things, it's looking very likely now.

This is very true. Toyo has been greatly focused on Vegeta recently and due to his absence in this chapter, I reckon that Vegeta's arrival will be legendary.

Apart form that, what you responded to me earlier also makes sense. For the most part, I believe Vegeta will ultimately handle Moro on his own, though it wouldn't surprise me if it ended with Goku and Vegeta working together in perfect synch to take out a common foe. It wouldn't be them resorting to fusion, but fighting together and actually complimenting one another's fighting skill.

But I see exactly what you mean.

[Kinokima]

The Master Roshi stuff definitely ruined the chapter for me

I did love Goku’s arrival and Kuririn’s role in it though

[emperior]

It’s getting more and more likely that Vegeta will be the one to finally get the final win! It would be nice, especially with all the focus he got during this arc. He’s also Toyotaro’s favorite so it would be expected for Vegeta to get the win in an arc mostly written by Toyotaro.

Toyotaro stated in the 2nd volume of the DBS Manga that his true favorite character is Son Goku.

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

But we don’t need any interviews to see that Toyotaro favors Vegeta a lot.

[Lionel]

Others have more or less already explained what I felt were the highlights of this chapter. I enjoyed the emphasis on tactical ingenuity in the human fights. Teamwork is a mechanic that seemed wanting after Freeza, even avoided by everyone usually. For it to make a return to form in new ways is a welcome development.

Many might dispute this chapter as being superfluous filler made to throw a small bone at fans of the humans. I myself probably savour these moments more than I do any big climactic fisticuffs with Goku or Vegeta because they've gotten predictable and vapid at this point. What's supposed to serve as the main course of an arc has lost its appeal because it's an unchanging paradigm given to characters who are subject to it every arc. The most interesting part of the set-up right now has more to do with the reversed order of arrival and the implications that might entail than anything. On that note, it was disheartening to hear Gohan basically rhapsodise his hopes for ultimate victory on his father and Vegeta. I know they're the main characters at this point but what happened to the prospective child with potential said to be the greatest of any within their clique?

Seems like we're moving closer and closer to the final battle. I hope Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu are given the privilege of handling their own enemy without Goku's intervention. It's quite possible that'll happen with Saganbo.

[Matches Malone]

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

But we don’t need any interviews to see that Toyotaro favors Vegeta a lot.

That's interesting. Vegeta definitely has untapped potential, so it's great to see that be recognized by someone as high as Toyotaro.

If he's is allowed to give Vegeta a massive win like I think he will, it'll hopefully open the door to other status quo changes as someone other than Goku getting a win will be a big deal for the franchise and fans.

[Michsi]

It’s getting more and more likely that Vegeta will be the one to finally get the final win! It would be nice, especially with all the focus he got during this arc. He’s also Toyotaro’s favorite so it would be expected for Vegeta to get the win in an arc mostly written by Toyotaro.

Toyotaro stated in the 2nd volume of the DBS Manga that his true favorite character is Son Goku.

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

But we don’t need any interviews to see that Toyotaro favors Vegeta a lot.

I can never be sure because I haven't seen his work as a doujinshi artist, but someone here stated that the series he published under the name Toyble very cleary favored Vegeta to the point he was pretty much the main character.

So, calling Goku his favorite just might be a diversion tactic. I just can't help but get the feeling, from the way he writes him, especially when it comes to the interaction between Goku and Vegeta, that he really wants Vegeta in the forefront. The Namek chapters of this arc show that more.

[Zamasu55]

So... is Saganbo way beyond Kefla now? Because she and Gohan are exactly on par in the manga.

Let's wait for the next chapter. Something tells me it's not over yet.

[Kagari]

Others have more or less already explained what I felt were the highlights of this chapter. I enjoyed the emphasis on tactical ingenuity in the human fights. Teamwork is a mechanic that seemed wanting after Freeza, even avoided by everyone usually. For it to make a return to form in new ways is a welcome development.

Many might dispute this chapter as being superfluous filler made to throw a small bone at fans of the humans. I myself probably savour these moments more than I do any big climactic fisticuffs with Goku or Vegeta because they've gotten predictable and vapid at this point. What's supposed to serve as the main course of an arc has lost its appeal because it's an unchanging paradigm given to characters who are subject to it every arc. The most interesting part of the set-up right now has more to do with the reversed order of arrival and the implications that might entail than anything. On that note, it was disheartening to hear Gohan basically rhapsodise his hopes for ultimate victory on his father and Vegeta. I know they're the main characters at this point but what happened to the prospective child with potential said to be the greatest of any within their clique?

Seems like we're moving closer and closer to the final battle. I hope Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu are given the privilege of handling their own enemy without Goku's intervention. It's quite possible that'll happen with Saganbo.

Eh, I don't really see the issue. Gohan has always hero worshiped his father, even as an adult. The difference here is he's answering Moro's question about Goku's whereabouts while also stating it's still his (Gohan's) and the other's job to protect the Earth. All the while being at his strongest ever. He's out there on the front lines having trained further as mentioned last chapter. He's already participated in said battles and isn't "sitting around" while Goku is yet to return either.

[batistabus]

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

Do you have a link to this interview?

So, calling Goku his favorite just might be a diversion tactic. I just can't help but get the feeling, from the way he writes him, especially when it comes to the interaction between Goku and Vegeta, that he really wants Vegeta in the forefront. The Namek chapters of this arc show that more.

There are plenty of people who insist that his favorite character is Broly as well, and that he "rushed" the ToP so he could get to Broly material.

I don't understand the concern here. Toyotaro's writing is above the standards of fan fiction. There is a story to tell here, and it's not about characters getting wins or certain amounts of screen time. From the beginning, this arc has been about tidying up Vegeta's redemption. If you read the DBS manga as a whole, Vegeta gets good moments, but he's not in the spotlight like he has been in this arc (for good reason), and he doesn't feel unnecessarily favored.

Besides, this seems to me like Toyotaro is running with a scrapped Toriyama idea:

https://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/new ... geta-hero/

[head_cha_la]

So... is Saganbo way beyond Kefla now? Because she and Gohan are exactly on par in the manga.

Let's wait for the next chapter. Something tells me it's not over yet.

Kefla probably got stronger after the tournament, the girls are training too.

[Kagari]

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

Do you have a link to this interview?

So, calling Goku his favorite just might be a diversion tactic. I just can't help but get the feeling, from the way he writes him, especially when it comes to the interaction between Goku and Vegeta, that he really wants Vegeta in the forefront. The Namek chapters of this arc show that more.

There are plenty of people who insist that his favorite character is Broly as well, and that he "rushed" the ToP so he could get to Broly material.

I don't understand the concern here. Toyotaro's writing is above the standards of fan fiction. There is a story to tell here, and it's not about characters getting wins or certain amounts of screen time. From the beginning, this arc has been about tidying up Vegeta's redemption. If you read the DBS manga as a whole, Vegeta gets good moments, but he's not in the spotlight like he has been in this arc (for good reason), and he doesn't feel unnecessarily favored.

Besides, this seems to me like Toyotaro is running with a scrapped Toriyama idea:

https://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/new ... geta-hero/

Vegeta's 'redemption' was solved decades ago though, literally. Toyotarou is trying to fix something that was never broken. Past actions in general are something Toriyama's characters don't hold as baggage. Vegeta became a better person throughout the original run but at no point did he show remorse for his actions and that's fine. People are allowed to be terrible, that's just how this story is.

[Michsi]

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

Do you have a link to this interview?

So, calling Goku his favorite just might be a diversion tactic. I just can't help but get the feeling, from the way he writes him, especially when it comes to the interaction between Goku and Vegeta, that he really wants Vegeta in the forefront. The Namek chapters of this arc show that more.

There are plenty of people who insist that his favorite character is Broly as well, and that he "rushed" the ToP so he could get to Broly material.

I don't understand the concern here. Toyotaro's writing is above the standards of fan fiction. There is a story to tell here, and it's not about characters getting wins or certain amounts of screen time. From the beginning, this arc has been about tidying up Vegeta's redemption. If you read the DBS manga as a whole, Vegeta gets good moments, but he's not in the spotlight like he has been in this arc (for good reason), and he doesn't feel unnecessarily favored.

Besides, this seems to me like Toyotaro is running with a scrapped Toriyama idea:

https://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/new ... geta-hero/

I have never seen anyone claim such a thing about Broly. Not once. Then again, I haven't seen the fan comic so I don't know if he really likes the character or not. This goes beyond what was written in this arc. I just get this feeling that he wants to give Vegeta just that extra push, whether its in a dialog scene or a combat, as much as he can get away with. Goku is the MC so there is only so much he could influence. Really interested to see how this arc will end, but I can say that I am not really looking forward to Vegeta beating the final villain, but that's just me.

Edit: I most point out that I am just a big Goku fan, so this also me being biased.

[Lord Beerus]

- It's just dawned on me... why the fuck is Goku using a spaceship to travel? Goku can teleport from literally different planes of existence all the way back to Earth. Why can't he just teleport to Kaio-sama's planet and then teleport to Earth instantly like he's down so in the past? Ugh. That tells me everything I need to know about how dragged out this arc has felt at times.

Merus took Goku to an uninhabited planet where it was impossible for Moro to reach. Moro's henchmen were able to reach Planet Yardrat, which is outside the jurisdiction of the Galactic Patrol and is so far away that Irico cannot even communicate with HQ. This says a lot about how far Goku is from any known point (New Namek was already far enough away that he needed King Kai's help to get there).

The only one who can feel energies on the other side of the galaxy now is Vegeta because of his training

But Goku can literally teleport to Heaven... an area that is out of the mortal realm of the universe. He's done it so many times it's almost a gag at this point. Are you telling me Goku couldn't do the same thing just because he was an uninhabited planet? No. I don't buy that for a second. Toyotaro just wants you to forget that Goku can teleport to Heaven and then to Earth.

[Kagari]

In a more recent interview for a French magazine he said that lately he started to appreciate more characters like Vegeta implying he’s grown on him and is among his favorites.

Do you have a link to this interview?

So, calling Goku his favorite just might be a diversion tactic. I just can't help but get the feeling, from the way he writes him, especially when it comes to the interaction between Goku and Vegeta, that he really wants Vegeta in the forefront. The Namek chapters of this arc show that more.

There are plenty of people who insist that his favorite character is Broly as well, and that he "rushed" the ToP so he could get to Broly material.

I don't understand the concern here. Toyotaro's writing is above the standards of fan fiction. There is a story to tell here, and it's not about characters getting wins or certain amounts of screen time. From the beginning, this arc has been about tidying up Vegeta's redemption. If you read the DBS manga as a whole, Vegeta gets good moments, but he's not in the spotlight like he has been in this arc (for good reason), and he doesn't feel unnecessarily favored.

Besides, this seems to me like Toyotaro is running with a scrapped Toriyama idea:

https://thedaoofdragonball.com/blog/new ... geta-hero/

I have never seen anyone claim such a thing about Broly. Not once. Then again, I haven't seen the fan comic so I don't know if he really likes the character or not. This goes beyond what was written in this arc. I just get this feeling that he wants to give Vegeta just that extra push, whether its in a dialog scene or a combat, as much as he can get away with. Goku is the MC so there is only so much he could influence. Really interested to see how this arc will end, but I can say that I am not really looking forward to Vegeta beating the final villain, but that's just me.

Starting from the Trunks arc in particular you can see him favor Vegeta over Goku. It's Vegeta who only fights Black, it's Vegeta who is giving out orders while Goku sits on the sidelines waiting for his turn/permission like a loyal sidekick. This sort of situation keeps happening, and was on display on New Namek too.

[Michsi]

Starting from the Trunks arc in particular you can see him favor Vegeta over Goku. It's Vegeta who only fights Black, it's Vegeta who is giving out orders while Goku sits on the sidelines waiting for his turn/permission like a loyal sidekick. This sort of situation keeps happening, and was on display on New Namek too.

Ah, this is something else I noticed in this arc. Vegeta dominates the scenes with discussion and leads more. Goku has been infantalised a bit I feel.

[Kagari]

Starting from the Trunks arc in particular you can see him favor Vegeta over Goku. It's Vegeta who only fights Black, it's Vegeta who is giving out orders while Goku sits on the sidelines waiting for his turn/permission like a loyal sidekick. This sort of situation keeps happening, and was on display on New Namek too.

Ah, this is something else I noticed in this arc. Vegeta dominates the scenes with discussion and leads more. Goku has been infantalised a bit I feel.

Goku: Can I get a turn, Vegeta?
Vegeta: No, shut up, Kakarot.

Goku in the original run would never.

[Lord Beerus]

Starting from the Trunks arc in particular you can see him favor Vegeta over Goku. It's Vegeta who only fights Black, it's Vegeta who is giving out orders while Goku sits on the sidelines waiting for his turn/permission like a loyal sidekick. This sort of situation keeps happening, and was on display on New Namek too.

Ah, this is something else I noticed in this arc. Vegeta dominates the scenes with discussion and leads more. Goku has been infantalised a bit I feel.

Goku: Can I get a turn, Vegeta?
Vegeta: No, shut up, Kakarot.

Goku in the original run would never.

Oh thank God I;m not the only who noticed this and has been annoyed by it.

Goku turning this pseudo-submissive character in the Super manga, who seems content about taking orders from Vegeta, just feels out of character. If Goku wanted to do something, regardless of what Vegeta felt, he would fucking do it.

[Kagari]

Ah, this is something else I noticed in this arc. Vegeta dominates the scenes with discussion and leads more. Goku has been infantalised a bit I feel.

Goku: Can I get a turn, Vegeta?
Vegeta: No, shut up, Kakarot.

Goku in the original run would never.

Oh thank God I;m not the only who noticed this and has been annoyed by it.

Goku turning this pseudo-submissive character in the Super manga, who seems content about taking orders from Vegeta, just feels out of character. If Goku wanted to do something, regardless of what Vegeta felt, he would fucking do it.

Between that and the way Goku is written in a general "aloof" manner when it comes to his relationships... has to be the worst part of Super's manga to me.