Wasting time on Goku showing off his power against Saganbo is absolutely fanservice, as is bringing back the fan favorite 'Omen' to begin with. Retreading tired tropes Toriyama used years ago is also fanservice. There's no need to cherry pick just because you didn't want to see Gohan and Piccolo beat the henchman.emperior wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:46 amOh yes! Thanks for providing some facts! Now maybe people will shut up about this and move on.The Undying wrote: ↑Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:27 amSo I did some digging and found the raw version of the chapter I mentioned earlier (excuse my shitty MS Paint tier circle):
Viz somewhat erroneously translated this line as "a sign of Goku awakening to Ultra Instinct", but the original Japanese text has Whis straight-up calling it [Ultra Instinct "Sign"]. Also note the quotation marks around 兆.
For reference, the full name in Japanese is 身勝手の極意”兆”.
I find that kind of amusing, given that a few western readers have been acting as if Toyotaro suddenly used that name for the incomplete form now when, as a matter of fact, it was called Ultra Instinct "Sign/Omen" since it was first introduced in the manga.
Just an interesting little observation.
Also, I do wholeheartedly agree with your take on how it was essential for Goku to show off his new power against Saganbo.
Really, what would be the point in Gohan and Piccolo defeating him? It would have added absolutely nothing to the story, it would have been just fanservice.
Not to mention how Goku coming and beating the best underling/henchmen his friends couldn’t beat is a trope that Toriyama used many times and to great results. I bet the same people complaining about this would also complain about Goku killing Drum (“Tenshinan is useless! He won the tournament!!!”) or Goku beating Nappa (“WTF Gohan should have beaten him”) or the Ginyus.
Like, really, it’s not hard to get that in order to not make Saganbo feel like pure filler it was absolutely needed to show Goku defeating him to show us how superior he is to everyone else now.
Also I find it silly how only now fans are realizing just how stronger than everyone else Goku and Vegeta are.
And if they did, it would have added to the story. You know why? Because Toyotaro made the addition of said henchmen a major element of his story. He spent two chapters hyping up the wish to release them. He spent several chapters focusing on the Earth and its impending doom and the characters such as Gohan and Piccolo who would be there to help protect it. To say they add nothing to the story is ridiculous when the story spent time on their roles in it.
Goku showing off his power effectively could have been done just as well against Moro as has been said in this thread already. Or if he had to fight Saganbo, it should have been together with Piccolo and Gohan because we haven't seen anything like that from those characters before. Do new things!
As for "I find it silly how only now fans are realizing just how stronger than everyone else Goku and Vegeta are", the playing field was somewhat leveled in the Universe Survival arc by buffing characters like 17 and Gohan and having Freeza all be within that tier. I don't blame fans for being irritated it's been messed with so quickly, especially after characters like Piccolo and Gohan are also specifically said to have leveled up. Fans want more than two characters to do anything, it's not an unreasonable request given the history of the series.