"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Gt91]

What would Freeza look like if made his own God form? Maybe charcoal/black to fit the theme of a "dark god"? Perhaps going for a shiny shade of blue to mock SSJB as his golden form does for SSJ? Suppose Freeza can just change the color of his form at will and changes it to match whoever his latest opponent is, sort of like a trollish chameleon?

That's a good question.
Frieza hasn't got a new form since RoF, so i think he'll have something new (probably at Angel/God of destruction level).
I always liked the freeza clan for the shape of their bodies (see final form cooler for example), so i expect something similar this time. Maybe a crown on his head (for the emperor theme)? A new shape for his head/shoulders? I just hate recolors, so i'd like to see something good and original.
About colors, goku has grey, vegeta purple (?), so he could get the black/red this time (i like the white/purple pattern thought).

[GodVegetto91]

I don’t care about Frieza one bit.. I want him to remain as weak as he is right now for the rest of the series. No more powerups for him. He should stay below Goku and Vegeta forever from now on. I won’t even allow him to reach ToP’s Jiren level of strength if I were the writer.

[GalaxyBusterBuu]

Granolah is probably gonna turn full-on evil in his pursuit to avenge his race. Once he gets the power it'll probably go to his head(like did y'all see how he reacted to the idea of revenge earlier?) He looked so excited, his expression earlier upon finding out Freeza was alive was literally 'Fucking finally! My chance! At last! Decades of waiting and I have a opportunity!'

The possibility of him turning is high, especially if he gains the power to take Freeza head-on. Granolah seems like the type who'd get revenge no matter the cost, if he slowly turns into a full-on villain it won't be surprising. The people who have nothing left to lose are the most dangerous, because there's nothing holding them back from going full circle. The guy has already lost his home and race and is dead-set on making Freeza pay, even if it ends up fucking everyone else over. I doubt most would give him shit for wanting Freeza dead, however given he's probably going to be a villain or anti-hero/anti villain at best, they'll have to give reasons for the main cast to push back against him.

[JulieYBM]

I'm making the bold prediction that the story arc will end with Granola's house destroyed and his moving into the town to join the people.

[ChronoTwigger]

Beerus: you sayans were violent
Vegeta: Freeza was guilty
Beerus: ...just Freeza?
Vegeta: we surely were culprit a bit too. Weren't you about showing me a technique? What this fuss about sayans?
Beerus: such things are related.

ADD TO THIS: the titular character that have grudge on violent sayans...

EQUAL: guess what character will go berserk and represent the arc main threat...
And guess what other character will be unable to stop him...
And guess what other character to obtain a revenge find a "sayan-stopper" weapon...

(Hints: Goku vs Vegeta seriously never happened so far in Super, and it's mandatory as Super is a revamp of the franchise.
A clash on the dicotomy 'light vs darkness' will be uncanny hyping.
Beerus aptitude toward telling a "dangerous secret" and create havoc by mistake is very fitting his character.
Granola CANNOT BE not even in 30 years of storytelling enough to represent a match for Goku, so the main opponent will be another)

I'll push my prophecy even further: the more your nature is violent, the more the technique will be strong, to the point not even Beerus can stop a "violent sayan". The form will be part a recolor of hair, part a recolor of eyes, plus fangs and a stance like...

..hey, even the purple aura fit!

[MCDaveG]

I have no idea why you people care so much about other universes being used when U7 has been barely explored.

I guess people want to see characters like Hit, Jiren, Kefla etc again, or what fighters there are in the 4 universes that didn't compete in the ToP. Nobody wants to see fodders like Krillin or Roshi in action again, and people don't want Goku and Vegeta to get all the spotlight again.

Maybe because it kinda was, as they statef during the ToP that there are only like 18 planets with sentient beings in Universe 7? I don’t remember it right... but we saw a lot and there aren’t many strong warriors left with such power scaling and huge conflicts, unless introduced like Granola was recently. But the other universes really give a lot of extra room to tackle in future, but truth is, unless there is something in those universes that might affect the main one, there is really no reason to. Let’s see what the future brings.

[Kinokima]

Beerus: you sayans were violent
Vegeta: Freeza was guilty
Beerus: ...just Freeza?
Vegeta: we surely were culprit a bit too. Weren't you about showing me a technique? What this fuss about sayans?
Beerus: such things are related.

ADD TO THIS: the titular character that have grudge on violent sayans...

EQUAL: guess what character will go berserk and represent the arc main threat...
And guess what other character will be unable to stop him...
And guess what other character to obtain a revenge find a "sayan-stopper" weapon...

(Hints: Goku vs Vegeta seriously never happened so far in Super, and it's mandatory as Super is a revamp of the franchise.
A clash on the dicotomy 'light vs darkness' will be uncanny hyping.
Beerus aptitude toward telling a "dangerous secret" and create havoc by mistake is very fitting his character.
Granola CANNOT BE not even in 30 years of storytelling enough to represent a match for Goku, so the main opponent will be another)

I'll push my prophecy even further: the more your nature is violent, the more the technique will be strong, to the point not even Beerus can stop a "violent sayan". The form will be part a recolor of hair, part a recolor of eyes, plus fangs and a stance like...

..hey, even the purple aura fit!

I highly doubt it

And Vegeta doesn’t say we were culprits a bit too he literally says Saiyans were at fault for their own demise


The series doesn’t need another Goku vs Vegeta clash

I know it’s just a theory and well I can’t say a theory won’t happen but I’d literally hate this if it were to happen. We don’t need “evil Vegeta” again.

[GodVegetto91]

It sucks that these japanese YouTube channels won’t bother to include any english subtitles for us in their videos. So does this video mention anything new? I know it’s most likely just speculation.. But I still like to know what they talk about.. It clearly shows a green haired Vegeta, as many had speculated since the Broly movie..

https://youtu.be/GzsJd6uB7oQ

[LoganForkHands73]

It sucks that these japanese YouTube channels won’t bother to include any english subtitles for us in their videos. So does this video mention anything new? I know it’s most likely just speculation.. But I still like to know what they talk about.. It clearly shows a green haired Vegeta, as many had speculated since the Broly movie..

https://youtu.be/GzsJd6uB7oQ

Spoiler:

Wow, a few days ago I was spitballing some ideas for future transformation paths, including Vegeta pursuing "Super Saiyan Green". Never would've expected it to come true in any capacity.

Good catch, but the same, you probably should've spoiler tagged that one.

[Grand Marshal 1]

It sucks that these japanese YouTube channels won’t bother to include any english subtitles for us in their videos. So does this video mention anything new? I know it’s most likely just speculation.. But I still like to know what they talk about.. It clearly shows a green haired Vegeta, as many had speculated since the Broly movie..

https://youtu.be/GzsJd6uB7oQ

Spoiler:

Feels like Japanese clickbait

Is this an official source? Looks like fan speculations and what not.

[ZodiacBeast]

It would be neat if Vegeta got some form of Broly's Legendary form. People would complain, but it is a form of destruction tied to the Saiyans, more so than "normal" SSJ.

[Alruneia]

That's just a speculation video. Look through other videos on the channel, and you'll notice that they're pretty much all set up like this. For example, there's another one with "Granolah vs Goku and Frieza" as the title. Also, if this "Super Saiyan Green" thing was an actual leak, you'd certainly hear about it from more sources than just this one small Youtube channel.

[caire]

It sucks that these japanese YouTube channels won’t bother to include any english subtitles for us in their videos. So does this video mention anything new? I know it’s most likely just speculation.. But I still like to know what they talk about.. It clearly shows a green haired Vegeta, as many had speculated since the Broly movie..

https://youtu.be/GzsJd6uB7oQ

I mean, their audience probably isn't English speakers, so there's no need to provide it; they're certainly not obligated to, especially if they only cater to a relatively small audience of Japanese-speaking fans.

At any rate, this definitely seems like just speculation. As Alruneia mentioned, the rest of the channel follows the same theme and we would have heard about it from other sources by now, if it was a genuine leak.

[Kinokima]

It is kind of cool to see what Japanese fans are speculating

I follow some Japanese fan artists and figure collectors but you rarely get to hear their thoughts on the latest chapters. I wonder if they argue about the same things as us

[GodVegetto91]

This is what it looks like..

Spoiler:

This channel always seems to have pretty interesting information/speculation.

Green hair for a “destructive Saiyan” I can understand because of the whole “legendary Super Saiyan/Berserker form” thing that Broly and Kale have going on..

Then there’s Purple ofcourse from an actual God of Destruction.. BOTH colors are possible options for Vegeta to obtain at this point..

[Hugo Boss]

Since migatte no gokui is a pun, perhaps this new ability may be related to Vegeta and some other Saiyan trait, as a mirror to the angel technique.

[MCDaveG]

Ehm ehm... Prince of Destruction Vegeta?

[ericmick]

It sucks that these japanese YouTube channels won’t bother to include any english subtitles for us in their videos. So does this video mention anything new? I know it’s most likely just speculation.. But I still like to know what they talk about.. It clearly shows a green, haired Vegeta, as many had speculated since the Broly movie..

https://youtu.be/GzsJd6uB7oQ

I absolutely agree my friend, I am also a victim of the subtitle problem.

[OrangeBanana]

So concerning Vegeta's new form or technique, I think it might have something to do with the Great Ape form.
Out of all the Saiyan forms the great ape is the one most associated with destructive tendencies. Also considering Granola had his entire planet destroyed by Saiyans using said form, it would make the new transformation mean a bit more than just a simple power up, there'd be a level of depth to it.

What would this new form look like?
Personally I doubt it will be a simple recolour, mainly due to the limitations in how Manga can represent different colours the new form would just blend in with the other ones. That's why I reckon Toyotarou and Toriyama will design it in a way which isn't too flashy but also isn't too simple, a good example would be SSJ-->SSJ2 where the latter just had spikier hair but it was subtle enough that it didn't look over designed but also had its own unique look to distinguish it.

[Yasai9001]

So concerning Vegeta's new form or technique, I think it might have something to do with the Great Ape form.
Out of all the Saiyan forms the great ape is the one most associated with destructive tendencies. Also considering Granola had his entire planet destroyed by Saiyans using said form, it would make the new transformation mean a bit more than just a simple power up, there'd be a level of depth to it.

What would this new form look like?
Personally I doubt it will be a simple recolour, mainly due to the limitations in how Manga can represent different colours the new form would just blend in with the other ones. That's why I reckon Toyotarou and Toriyama will design it in a way which isn't too flashy but also isn't too simple, a good example would be SSJ-->SSJ2 where the latter just had spikier hair but it was subtle enough that it didn't look over designed but also had its own unique look to distinguish it.

In all honesty, if they are going to make a new Saiyan form, the true and most powerful form should be something akin to Super Saiyan 4. I'm aware that Broly's ikari form is something similar, but still vastly different since it's only him using the Oozaru power without transforming. I mean a totally different version all together to where the transformation feeds off the Saiyan's instincts to simply fight, not having them care for anything else and acting irrationally to satiate their need for battle, which could be a weakness for them to control it. As far as what it should look like, I don't know. Maybe like Super Saiyan four but with the fur actually being brown instead of red for whatever reaosn and their eyes just being red like it usually would be in the ape transformation. I would rather Vegeta learn a technique than have a transformation, but if it's going to be a transformation, I'd rather him have that transformation to himself as Goku focuses on Ultra Instinct and being able to hold that state for extended periods of time like how he trained himself to maintain the Super Saiyan form.