Does anyone have a complete list of the dub errors.

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:41 pm

I wanted to know if anyone has a list of every mispronounciation, name change, and error in the dub? Or if they didn't use a name at all, replacing it with a "ha!".

Example would be: Kaioken being mispronounced as Kay-oh-ken.

KillerCory · Post by **KillerCory** » Sat May 24, 2008 4:46 pm

I don't think there is enough room on the internet for a list such as that.

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:10 pm

Haha yeah I get ya, but seriously is there really nothing?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:21 pm

TheJoo87 wrote:Haha yeah I get ya, but seriously is there really nothing?

Maybe your list can be a little bit more detailed.

TheJoo87 · Post by **TheJoo87** » Sat May 24, 2008 7:43 pm

Well I mean like attack names and character names, basically everything that is different in those peticular catagories.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:25 pm

To be honest though, outside of minor characters not many people care about like Bardock's crew, DB/DBZ doesn't really have major name changes, and majority of them are really close to the original name or just tweaked a little.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:41 pm

I'd say that the only way you could a complete, complete list is to transcribe the entire dub into MS word because most of it is inaccurate anyway.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat May 24, 2008 9:59 pm

Super Sonic wrote:DB/DBZ doesn't really have major name changes, and majority of them are really close to the original name or just tweaked a little.

Since when did that stop people from bitching?
People still throw shit fits over Zoro to Zolo, Ace to Trace and Smoker to Chaser.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:05 pm

Super Sonic wrote:To be honest though, outside of minor characters not many people care about like Bardock's crew, DB/DBZ doesn't really have major name changes, and majority of them are really close to the original name or just tweaked a little.

I'm still not sure why "Pikkon" is so much worse than Pikkon.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat May 24, 2008 10:33 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:DB/DBZ doesn't really have major name changes, and majority of them are really close to the original name or just tweaked a little.
Since when did that stop people from bitching?
People still throw shit fits over Zoro to Zolo, Ace to Trace and Smoker to Chaser.

Those are different and actual name changes, particularly with the latter two. Ti-en Shinhan and Tenshinhan are close enough for a lot of folks.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat May 24, 2008 11:16 pm

Rocketman wrote:I'm still not sure why "Pikkon" is so much worse than Paikuhan.

Well, "Pikkon" should be pronounced, "Peek-kon" rather than "Pike-kon" like how Funi likes to pronounce it. But if you said everything the why it looks, which is how it's supposed to be, Funi's dub would be more F'd up in the names department with some of the things they have. More of them would be right though like "Sci-Yan" rather than "Say-yun".

Super Sonic wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:DB/DBZ doesn't really have major name changes, and majority of them are really close to the original name or just tweaked a little.
Since when did that stop people from bitching?
People still throw shit fits over Zoro to Zolo, Ace to Trace and Smoker to Chaser.
Those are different and actual name changes, particularly with the latter two. Ti-en Shinhan and Tenshinhan are close enough for a lot of folks.

So something like Burdock to Bardock isn't a name change but Zoro to Zolo is? You'd have some explaining to do if you agree with that.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Tue May 27, 2008 10:32 am

Vekurotto wrote:Well, "Pikkon" should be pronounced, "Peek-kon" rather than "Pike-kon" like how Funi likes to pronounce it. But if you said everything the why it looks, which is how it's supposed to be, Funi's dub would be more F'd up in the names department with some of the things they have. More of them would be right though like "Sci-Yan" rather than "Say-yun".

Well, wouldn't it still be "Say-yon" if you pronounced the "Sai" the same as in "Pain"? "A" followed by "I" makes a long "A" sound. As for "Pikkon", wouldn't that be "Pick-con" instead of "Pike-kon".

I think that a lot of the pronounciation problem come up because of the differences between pronouncing English words and Japanese words.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Tue May 27, 2008 11:05 am

Can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned "KA MAY HA MAY HA!"

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue May 27, 2008 6:49 pm

sangofe wrote:Can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned "KA MAY HA MAY HA!"

Sounds the same to me, only no echo effect, and heard someone say something about certain syllables being stressed differently.

Also, why is it people make a fuss over English-speaking actors mispronouncing Japanese names, but no one cares when Japanese actors mispronounce English names?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue May 27, 2008 7:21 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Sounds the same to me, only no echo effect, and heard someone say something about certain syllables being stressed differently.

When the dub says it as a word in a regular bit of dialogue (rather than as an attack with each syllable spoke aloud separately), it's spoken as "Kamayamaya" (somewhat like "ka MAya MAya")... which is incorrect. There's simply no getting around that.

I totally had an audio file already recorded explaining the whole thing, but I can't seem to find it either on my server or on this computer

. That'd make for a real nice/short podcast topic in the coming weeks while I finish up my Otakon video and compile the AnimeNEXT AMV contest... *makes a note*

Super Sonic wrote:Also, why is it people make a fuss over English-speaking actors mispronouncing Japanese names, but no one cares when Japanese actors mispronounce English names?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but while the spoken English language natively contains most of the syllables/sounds necessary to properly speak aloud Japanese (with some minor stretches... things like tsu), the same is not true for Japanese.

That's a very gross over-generalization, but I think it can be understood what I'm getting at.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Tue May 27, 2008 8:34 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but while the spoken English language natively contains most of the syllables/sounds necessary to properly speak aloud Japanese (with some minor stretches... things like tsu), the same is not true for Japanese.

That's a very gross over-generalization, but I think it can be understood what I'm getting at.

Yeah it's pretty true. C/K, L/R, and B/V will always be prepetually hard words for the Japanese to pronounce because they don't have all of the syllables/sounds necessary to make the sounds but in English we do and it's pretty shotty for them to mess up.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:16 pm

And Kuririn to Krillin isn't a big name change either. In the Japanese version of the show, it's pronounced as Kur-Lil-In, so it's easy to interperet it as Krillin.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:17 pm

Vekurotto wrote:So something like Burdock to Bardock isn't a name change but Zoro to Zolo is? You'd have some explaining to do if you agree with that.

They're both legitimate transliterations of the names, but in Zoro/Zolo's case, people were more pissed off because 4Kids's dub caused VIZ to change their name spelling to the "l" version.

I personally never saw the big deal with Zolo anyway (not to mention the fact that most people complaining about the "name change" pronounce Zoro exactly like "Zorro.").

Post by **Herms** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:36 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I personally never saw the big deal with Zolo anyway (not to mention the fact that most people complaining about the "name change" pronounce Zoro exactly like "Zorro.").

Another thing with Zoro is that in the original manga his named is written out with an 'r' on his bounty poster, so most people see that as Oda's intended spelling.

Super Sonic wrote:Also, why is it people make a fuss over English-speaking actors mispronouncing Japanese names, but no one cares when Japanese actors mispronounce English names?

What do you mean? People make fun of Engrish all the time.

eienmic · Post by **eienmic** » Wed May 28, 2008 3:44 pm

Well Hermes, you can't really go by how the manga artist writes the name. If that were the case, Goku could be spelt G-o-k-o-u, G-o-k-u-h, and G-o-k-u-u because I've seen Toriyama-san use those different spellings. He's also spelt Kuririn as K-u-l-i-l-i-n.

I personally like to spell Goku as G-o-k-o-u. Toriyama-san has done it once or twice and Bandai chose to spell it this way for many years. And really, is it incorrect? The "lou" part of the name Marilou is pronounced the same way "kou" is on G-o-k-o-u. I just think it looks better and matches the 5 letter spelling of the other Son males, Gohan and Goten.