Is Bulma immoral

[jjgp1112]

I guess Piccolo is guilty for killing Krillin, Chioatzu and Roshi because King Piccolo or his henchmen Tambourine killed them and Piccolo has his fathers memories. But nobody considers Piccolo their killer, not even Krillin or Roshi themselves think that.

Bejita-sama did nothing wrong.

I mean, that's absolutely what Goku and the others thought and carried on as such. Why else would he be thinking of Krillin and Roshi with a tear in his eye immediately after killing Piccolo and saying he avenged them when Piccolo didn't actually do anything to Krillin? It was only through extreme, life-threatening circumstances that they wound up allying with Piccolo, and the Piccolo himself became a better person and did the work to earn their trust.

Is accessory/conspiracy to murder just a crime that doesn't exist in your mind?

But I'm saying this actually assuming you're arguing in good faith, and your post history gives me no reason to believe as such.

[The Accountant]

Bulma was more immoral back in early Dragon Ball, but has improved drastically since. An example of these improvements displayed in her relationship with Trunks. I think it showcases the best in Bulma.

[MyVisionity]

I think what makes it okay is that Vegeta didn't actually do the deed personally. That makes a *big* difference in regards to Bulma hooking up with him. It was already in the past to begin with, but that difference makes it all the more easier to leave it in the past and move on.

Also I think the comparisons being drawn here are off-base. Vegeta is not Bin Laden, or Manson, or Corleone. The Saiyans weren't terrorists or serial killers or mobsters. They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple. I'm not sure how much of that you could hold against Vegeta after a certain amount of time. Especially after everyone was resurrected. Especially if you weren't even a fighter in that battle.

I guess Piccolo is guilty for killing Krillin, Chioatzu and Roshi because King Piccolo or his henchmen Tambourine killed them and Piccolo has his fathers memories. But nobody considers Piccolo their killer, not even Krillin or Roshi themselves think that.

Bejita-sama did nothing wrong.

Ma Junior is the reincarnated version of Daimao, so he's not exactly the same Piccolo as the first.

[jjgp1112]

I think what makes it okay is that Vegeta didn't actually do the deed personally. That makes a *big* difference in regards to Bulma hooking up with him. It was already in the past to begin with, but that difference makes it all the more easier to leave it in the past and move on.

Also I think the comparisons being drawn here are off-base. Vegeta is not Bin Laden, or Manson, or Corleone. The Saiyans weren't terrorists or serial killers or mobsters. They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple. I'm not sure how much of that you could hold against Vegeta after a certain amount of time. Especially after everyone was resurrected. Especially if you weren't even a fighter in that battle.

Pardon my French, but do y'all niggas just live in the twilight zone or something? The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles. You cannot be serious right now.

[Kid Buu]

I think what makes it okay is that Vegeta didn't actually do the deed personally. That makes a *big* difference in regards to Bulma hooking up with him. It was already in the past to begin with, but that difference makes it all the more easier to leave it in the past and move on.

Also I think the comparisons being drawn here are off-base. Vegeta is not Bin Laden, or Manson, or Corleone. The Saiyans weren't terrorists or serial killers or mobsters. They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple. I'm not sure how much of that you could hold against Vegeta after a certain amount of time. Especially after everyone was resurrected. Especially if you weren't even a fighter in that battle.

Pardon my French, but do y'all niggas just live in the twilight zone or something? The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles. You cannot be serious right now.

Not to mention Tenshinhan already fought a Saibaman in a tournament rules situation and Vegeta blasted the Saibaman for losing. Pretty sure if it wasn't for that, the Saibaman wouldn't have resorted to suicide against Yamcha. Heck, even Nappa was against it.

[Dr. Casey]

He'd just taken part in the genocide of the Namekians and openly bragged abut it with a smirk on his face. Bulma literally heard him say it. He killed them within that week, maybe even a few days prior. At best her desire to get with him was selfish. It doesn't speak well of her character.

That was like two years before they even got together. He was no longer murdering people when they hooked up.

It's not selfish at all. What's done is done. The past isn't pretty, but that's life.

I actually got a good laugh out of this, thank you. It's good to know that if I ever become a mass murderer, it'll be no biggie so long as I stop doing that and a couple years pass.

[goku the krump dancer]

Lets not forget, the series proper acknowledges that Vegeta was a giant asshole for most of his life when Piccolo confirms that despite all his help against Freeza and the androids, it didn't make up for all the worlds he took glee in destroying, so he was still destined for hell after his sacrifice. Shit it may be a Dub line ( I think) but in The Trunks Special Bulma actually says to him that Vegeta was most likely in hell because he was a sadistic serial killer. Porunga bringing him back was a huge bro move, he actually got lucky.

[Aim]

Its not on Bulma to solve all of the world's problems, her contribution to society is due to the "Capsule" technology that her and her father's company is named after. That said, it was that same capsule tech that allowed Nam to secure acres of what for his village, that only experienced a drought because of the Sun, which is something that can't really be fought against in Old World villages like that. There's no reason to believe she didn't write Oob's family a nice hefty check after she figured out what was going on post the 28th tournament but even still she's not obligated to do that. She's one of the world's geniuses not the only one, since even she was initially confused by Gero's android blue prints.

A super world genius capable of learning even further to create a time machine absolutely does hold the weight of doing good for the world. I mean, we didn’t get this far hoarding wealth and keeping people poor, not saying this is what Bulma does, but there’s villages out there that are dirt poor, Bulma could easily solve this issue. Though I’m unsure if she’s even aware of it.

If I am capable of saving another human beings life or making life easier for them without doing much because I am a super genius, I’d feel obligated to do that for my fellow human being. It’s a different story if it would take up all my time.

[Aim]

Her attraction to an evil person like Vegeta is primal so I can't exactly blame her for that,

I can’t say I agree, I don’t see anything that is in our nature being attracted to evil people

[Aim]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... sIsUseless

The difference is between DB and marvel is that reed is supposed to be a super hero and a good guy. So it's immersion breaking a guy who can make a time machine can't make vertical farms and clean energy.

However all the DB characters are selfish bastards and don't really pretend to be otherwise, and that's funny and fine, and so it's not ruining shit at the back of your mind.

All billionaires are kinda bastards, extracting the surplus labour from their workers in the form of profit . Committing untold structural violence by hoarding that much wealth. But no less bastardy then the entire dragon team letting two cyborgs they know wipe out the earth be completed because they think it will be fun to do Kung Fu on them as long as they are prepared this time and have worked out harder.

It could be CC is a living wage paying carbon neutral employer with a massive educational outreach and philanthropy program but the fact they weren't assassinated by the likes of Taopaipai by some other billionaire means they probably aren't.

We don't really know how the government or tax system works in the dragon world. Maybe Marxism was never a thing and the proles never achieved class consciousness anywhere.

The nameks seem like agrarian communists and are stronger and spirituality more evolved then humanity so make of that what you will...

I love you

[Jack Bz]

I think what makes it okay is that Vegeta didn't actually do the deed personally. That makes a *big* difference in regards to Bulma hooking up with him. It was already in the past to begin with, but that difference makes it all the more easier to leave it in the past and move on.

Also I think the comparisons being drawn here are off-base. Vegeta is not Bin Laden, or Manson, or Corleone. The Saiyans weren't terrorists or serial killers or mobsters. They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple. I'm not sure how much of that you could hold against Vegeta after a certain amount of time. Especially after everyone was resurrected. Especially if you weren't even a fighter in that battle.

Pardon my French, but do y'all niggas just live in the twilight zone or something? The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles. You cannot be serious right now.

Cracked up at this. I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. The saiyans were unimaginably worse than an average serial killer.

The first time we ever see Vegeta he is literally eating the arm of someone he killed on another planet, whose civilisation he destroyed

[SupremeKai25]

Vegeta literally committed mundicide, if Zamasu, Cell, Moro, and pretty much every other villain are evil because of that, then so is Vegeta:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnqtg0bte6w

[TheGreatness25]

As a kid, I thought, "Man, Vegeta is so awesome!" But as an adult, I did find it horrible that at one point, nobody seemed horrified at the horrible things that he's done.

BUT, unfortunately, Toriyama wrote him to be basically forgiven for everything. We're meant to either forgive or turn a blind eye to everything he's done. So too have all the characters in Dragon World including Goku, Gohan, Kuririn, Piccolo, etc., etc. And even characters that didn't like Vegeta, like Piccolo or Tenshinhan, didn't dislike him because of everything he's done, but because of what he's done to them. And the dislike wasn't strong enough to stop them from working with him.

Unfortunately, the God of Dragon World basically told us to ignore Vegeta's terrible past because everyone else did.

I wish Vegeta was written differently -- I wish that he didn't have that much blood on his hands personally and I wish that we got to see remorse for everything as he realized that his motivations and actions were misguided. Even the remorse would've kind of made up for it -- like Ed Norton's character in American History X. He was such a terrible person, but he legitimately felt remorse and tried to make up for it. That's how I wish Vegeta was portrayed since Namek -- going out of his way to help people and try to make up for his past. But that's not the character we get. And unfortunately, the exact same thing is happening with Freeza now and I'm having trouble coping with him just being part of the team.

[Yuli Ban]

Bulma? She wasn't really immoral, just kind of an asshole at times (and usually rightfully so because the situations she was dealing with were bullshit). Most of Dragon Ball was that way, by Toriyama's own admission. They weren't really likeable people, but we liked following their journey.

I think what makes it okay is that Vegeta didn't actually do the deed personally. That makes a *big* difference in regards to Bulma hooking up with him. It was already in the past to begin with, but that difference makes it all the more easier to leave it in the past and move on.

Also I think the comparisons being drawn here are off-base. Vegeta is not Bin Laden, or Manson, or Corleone. The Saiyans weren't terrorists or serial killers or mobsters. They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple. I'm not sure how much of that you could hold against Vegeta after a certain amount of time. Especially after everyone was resurrected. Especially if you weren't even a fighter in that battle.

Pardon my French, but do y'all niggas just live in the twilight zone or something? The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles. You cannot be serious right now.

Cracked up at this. I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. The saiyans were unimaginably worse than an average serial killer.

The first time we ever see Vegeta he is literally eating the arm of someone he killed on another planet, whose civilisation he destroyed

A lot of people forget that the Saiyans were basically written as Thermonuclear Klingons, exceptionally savage murderers on a galactic scale whose ferocity and psychopathic lust for death and battle made them a feared force even long after their extinction.
Heck, that's part of why I dislike Gine''s execution and the softening of Bardock. It fucks with the irony that Son Goku's such a lovably, friendly doof. Imagine Jackie Chan, except his father was Miguel Treviño Morales and his people were the Waffen SS. The Saiyans' whole purpose in the story was to show how different Goku was from them (as well as why Goku was such a punchmonkey).

But ultimately this is just a silly kung fu fantasy story that doesn't even know how to take itself seriously, so who gives a shit.

Also, there's the distance we have between fantasy and reality, so it doesn't matter how evil they were; it's not like their crimes actually happened.

Why else are so many people fans of Hannibal Lector?

[Koitsukai]

Yeah, what the hell? saiyans never challenged other warriors, there weren't other warriors because they killed them all, and their babies, and their planets... they were space hooligans.
Can't remember if it was in the manga as well, but they were following Yamcha's death on TV or on Baba's ball, and they probably heard Vegeta cracking jokes at Yamcha's corpse, "remove that piece of meat, it's starting to stink up the place". A keeper.

Dating Ted Bundy is dead wrong, but dating him when you were friends with his victims, or dated one for years... damn, that's cold. Can't believe the argument is "oh, but it happened in the past, your complaint is so last april"

[Cipher]

Everyone always talks about how immoral Bulma is for hooking up with Vegeta, but never how immoral Vegeta is for hooking up with Bulma.

However, they’re both going to burn in Hell for not saving themselves for marriage, and that’s the facts, Jack.

[PurestEvil]

Everyone always talks about how immoral Bulma is for hooking up with Vegeta, but never how immoral Vegeta is for hooking up with Bulma.

However, they’re both going to burn in Hell for not saving themselves for marriage, and that’s the facts, Jack.

Vegeta has done things 1000 times worse than extramarital intercourse, fam

[Cursed Lemon]

Pardon my French, but do y'all niggas just live in the twilight zone or something? The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles. You cannot be serious right now.

Thank you for saving my time.

[MyVisionity]

They were warriors challenging other warriors in a life-or-death battle for the planet. The Z-Senshi chose to fight and they lost. It's that simple.

The Saiyans were there with the express purpose of stealing the Dragon Balls AND wiping out the entire planet so they can sell it off on top of that. Vegeta even says as much. They introduce themselves by blowing up a city for shits and giggles.

The Saiyans are a warrior race. They are fighters at heart who love and crave battle. Like I said, they were warriors challenging other warriors in battle. It's what the Z-Senshi were doing there. They weren't some poor victims who were helplessly slaughtered by the Saiyans. They were martial artists who fought and lost. I can see why someone might not hold anything against Vegeta in the long run.

Dating Ted Bundy is dead wrong, but dating him when you were friends with his victims, or dated one for years... damn, that's cold. Can't believe the argument is "oh, but it happened in the past, your complaint is so last april"

Ted Bundy wasn't a fighter nor were his victims. And none of them ever came back to life.

[Koitsukai]

You know that if they didn't fight back they would've gotten destroyed, right? it wasn't a Tenkaichi Budokai gone wrong.

But hey, it wasn't Geets doing the killing, so I guess that leaves Hitler off the hook as well.