Dragon Ball Z, Vol. 1 (VIZBIG Edition) Information + Vol 2.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:27 pm

Amazon just sent me mine today, opened it up and immediately noticed the cursing was gone, I can live with them covering Bulma's tits or whatever, but the whole "Curse you" thing totally ruins the whole thing for me.

Won't be picking up the rest until we learn more about this hardcover release.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:31 pm

I assume that's for DBZ, and not DB? Curse you? I knew "revised dialogue" couldn't be good...

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:32 pm

Y'know I always liked "curse you" as a substitute for cursing. It's less corny then "heck" and "darn" in my book and holds a decent amount of anger. Same goes for "blast." I'm not sure what it is about those lines but I think them to be decent enough. Maybe it was all the Disney I watched as a child.

Artificial Human #887 · Post by **Artificial Human #887** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:41 pm

Saying "curse you" is one thing... I say it all the time.

Using it as a replacement for already establishing dialogue is a whole other can of worms though. I don't see it being necessary to further child-proof what they did in the tankôban.

But I'm a hypocrite because I'll still buy it. If my company already paid for it, I see no reason not to boost our manga sales. That doesn't mean I won't complain about it (like that's ever helped...). I just get so frustrated that other SJ series (and other Viz titles in general) get away with so much more. Is it just because many of their other series air on Adult Swim in anime form (I saw "crap" in the first five volumes of Bleach than any cussing in Dragon Ball)? Unacceptable, I say!

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:22 pm

You'd think with the show airing uncut w/ full-on violence, gohan peen, and cursing without any moms really batting so much as an eyelash would make Viz loosen up a little.

I got both volumes, I've never read the "Dragonball" manga so I don't know if it's censored or not, don't really remember much if any cursing in the first few volumes anyway.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:26 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Also, the fact that the first DBZ hardcover book is 176 pages and the first original DBZ tankôban is 146 pages hints that this is not a reprinting of all the original tankôban in hardcover format unless they are putting them in Viz Big type formats where they are releasing all of the manga but in bigger chapters, which they have not hinted at.

Maybe this hardcover is actually the Kanzenban...

Or maybe I have to cry myself to sleep as I purchase 26 tankôban from Ebay.

Really, is it so hard to just translate the fucking words? I mean, at least Funimation has to make them fit with the mouth movements, but all you have to do is change the damn font size and to fit it in the bubble! Really? Really?

-42 for effort. My scale is out of five. Have fun suffering from incompensateable failure, Viz.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:31 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:Also, the fact that the first DBZ hardcover book is 176 pages and the first original DBZ tankôban is 146 pages hints that this is not a reprinting of all the original tankôban in hardcover format unless they are putting them in Viz Big type formats where they are releasing all of the manga but in bigger chapters, which they have not hinted at.
Maybe this hardcover is actually the Kanzenban...

The kanzenban all have 200+ pages. Kanzenban vol.14, which would correspond to the start of DBZ, has 217 pages, plust title page gallery and what-not.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:31 pm

Herms wrote:What about Kame-sennin asking Bulma if he can feel her breasts (it's in the same chapter where Raditz shows up at Kame House)? It was another one of the few dialog edits in the original Viz release.

He asks for a kiss in the VizBig, which I assume is what he asked for in the original release as well. He manages to say "a nice big ki-" before Bulma bonks him.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:32 pm

at this point, Funi has done a better job handling the anime than Viz handles the manga, I never in my life thought I'd be saying that.

Undercooked Sausage · Post by **Undercooked Sausage** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:32 pm

MagicBox wrote:
Herms wrote:What about Kame-sennin asking Bulma if he can feel her breasts (it's in the same chapter where Raditz shows up at Kame House)? It was another one of the few dialog edits in the original Viz release.
He asks for a kiss in the VizBig, which I assume is what he asked for in the original release as well. He manages to say "a nice big ki-" before Bulma bonks him.

Yeah, "kiss" was censored to "ki-" you guys.

Jesus.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:36 pm

Herms wrote:The kanzenban all have 200+ pages. Kanzenban vol.14, which would correspond to the start of DBZ, has 217 pages, plus title page gallery and what-not.

...How much of that pagecount is non-story bonus content?

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:37 pm

From what folks are saying I guess it's a good thing I'm too cheap to buy these as I have all the manga up to vol. 22 of DBZ.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:24 pm

Yeah, "kiss" was censored to "ki-" you guys.

That's odd... (on page 374 in DragonBall BigViz Vol 1) Master Roshi says " ...If I might be permitted to lay my eyes on those magnificent boobs ?" Why would "Kiss" be not ok but "boobs" is\are.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:38 pm

Recall... he's being cut off by Bulma before he can finish his sentence. And the fact that Dragonball is a smaller niche than DBZ, so remains slightly less censored.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:00 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:...How much of that pagecount is non-story bonus content?

None. Before the manga chapters, there's just a table of contents. The chapters run from pages 5 to 217 (I'm not really sure why page 5 is even counted as such, since it seems to at most be the third page counting the table of contents page and its blank backside, but I guess it's a publishing thing). After that it's the title page gallery, which doesn't have page numbers. The kanzenban aren't really big on bonus content.

Undercooked Sausage wrote:Yeah, "kiss" was censored to "ki-" you guys.

Wait, so first they censored the line from "Could I touch your breasts just a little bit?" to "May I have a nice big kiss" in their initial release, then further censored it to "May I have a nice big ki-"? Weird.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:07 pm

Herms wrote:None. Before the manga chapters, there's just a table of contents...

Okay then. So what could the 208 pagecount for this version mean? Regular DB tank #1 is at 184, so that's... 20-something extra pages? It doesn't match up to anything else. Though as a "Collector's Edition," there's a good chance it may include more bonus material than usual.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:07 pm

Wait, so first they censored the line from "Could I touch your breasts just a little bit?" to "May I have a nice big kiss" in their initial release, then further censored it to "May I have a nice big ki-"? Weird.

In the hardcover edition they will probley change it to "May..." just to be on the safe side.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:09 pm

My vol. 1 has the kiss line said only half-way before Bulma bonks him. Makes sense though.

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:39 pm

I just got vol. 1 and 1 of DB and DBZ, and they look uncut to me. Master Roshi still asks to see Bulma's undees, and Goku's penis is still intact. I have the original Vol. 2 from VIZ of DB (yes the big books) and on the same picture Goku is passed out and there's a flower covering his junk. Well in the VIZ BIG versoin the flower is not there. So I'd assume these are uncut, unless you want to complain about name changes or whatever. But seriously, wanting these uncut that bad to see Goku's penis? Common guys.

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:35 am

ultimateemail5000 wrote:But seriously, wanting these uncut that bad to see Goku's penis? Common guys.

>_< And you've completely missed the point.