Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lionel]

What about the Namekian Saviour that Moro fisted? I doubt he was made of nameks with a PL way over 3,000, considering the Namek arc anime had goons around that level trying to ambush Freeza, but maybe there's another Nail-like fighter by now.

Would he have been useful in the Namek arc?

The Namekians were revived just in time to sense Goku and Freeza's final clash. Moori must have understood that Moro is considerably stronger yet he still felt confident in the Namekian Saviour's chances of victory. So I would argue that they would have been a pivotal asset that could save everyone from Freeza. We can only guess as to how powerful they actually are. Roughly a dozen Namekians were assimilated so it must have been a substantial increase.

[ZombieVito]

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

[KentMan]

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

That will have to wait for now because unfortunately the producers didn’t reveal anything at all except when it will be released and the images you see. I vote scaling Gas and Granolah for now and possibly Broly should he be seen in the next chapter just in case.

[Hugo Boss]

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

From what I’ve seen, Trunks and Goten’s fingers aren’t aligned, so they probably won’t be able to fuse properly. Though, if they do manage to do it, I don’t think he would be stronger than he was in his prime.

[ZombieVito]

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

From what I’ve seen, Trunks and Goten’s fingers aren’t aligned, so they probably won’t be able to fuse properly. Though, if they do manage to do it, I don’t think he would be stronger than he was in his prime.

I was mostly referring to Piccolo and 18 since both of them are depicted as base tier in the ToP arc and by then base tier is way above SS3 Gotenks. The movie could screw that up.

[KentMan]

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

From what I’ve seen, Trunks and Goten’s fingers aren’t aligned, so they probably won’t be able to fuse properly. Though, if they do manage to do it, I don’t think he would be stronger than he was in his prime.

I was mostly referring to Piccolo and 18 since both of them are depicted as base tier in the ToP arc and by then base tier is way above SS3 Gotenks. The movie could screw that up.

I don’t remember 18 strength being above base tier or whatever trust means let alone stronger than Gotenks. If you’re curious Gokus base is the same as the anime he ever got knocked out by Rumush Roar except for the Kai’s

[Hugo Boss]

I think in this case it’s much simple to scale Gotenks -> Gohan -> Goku/Vegeta -> SS Gotenks -> SS Gohan -> SS Goku/Vegeta -> SS3 Gotenks -> Ultimate Gohan -> SSG Goku/Vegeta

Super anime only screw up because they didn’t know what to make of Goku and Vegeta’s base forms after they trained with Whis. In that fight against Gotenks, at least, Vegeta implies his copy is using the power of Super Saiyan God.

[KentMan]

I think in this case it’s much simple to scale Gotenks -> Gohan -> Goku/Vegeta -> SS Gotenks -> SS Gohan -> SS Goku/Vegeta -> SS3 Gotenks -> Ultimate Gohan -> SSG Goku/Vegeta

Super anime only screw up because they didn’t know what to make of Goku and Vegeta’s base forms after they trained with Whis. In that fight against Gotenks, at least, Vegeta implies his copy is using the power of Super Saiyan God.

No Goku and Vegeta base forms were around SSG level. They never changed it when Goku was fighting Hit to Goku not getting knocked out by Rumush Roar unlike the Kai’s.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What about the Namekian Saviour that Moro fisted? I doubt he was made of nameks with a PL way over 3,000, considering the Namek arc anime had goons around that level trying to ambush Freeza, but maybe there's another Nail-like fighter by now.

Would he have been useful in the Namek arc?

I think he’d have killed Freeza with the blink of an eye, though that doesn’t say much besides placing him on Cell Saga level.

OK so now that we know that

Spoiler:

Gotenks is in

I wonder how the film will scale him.

We will probably have issues soon.

Daizenshuu 2 says the boys haven’t gotten much stronger if at all by the time of EoZ, so Gotenks is probably as strong as he was in the Boo Saga. I doubt he’ll do anything special in the movie, though I wouldn’t be surprised if they make him SSJG level for no reason.

[Thani]

Helpful reminder that "base form" is not a transformation, but just the saiyans "true, normal" state of being. They transform to tap in their full power, but said full power is already there.

Rummush not affecting Goku can just mean that he's overall much stronger than the Kaioshin because his full power is achieved with the complete Super Saiyan Blue.

[ZombieVito]

I think in this case it’s much simple to scale Gotenks -> Gohan -> Goku/Vegeta -> SS Gotenks -> SS Gohan -> SS Goku/Vegeta -> SS3 Gotenks -> Ultimate Gohan -> SSG Goku/Vegeta

Super anime only screw up because they didn’t know what to make of Goku and Vegeta’s base forms after they trained with Whis. In that fight against Gotenks, at least, Vegeta implies his copy is using the power of Super Saiyan God.

How exactly does Vegeta imply that?

[Hugo Boss]

I think in this case it’s much simple to scale Gotenks -> Gohan -> Goku/Vegeta -> SS Gotenks -> SS Gohan -> SS Goku/Vegeta -> SS3 Gotenks -> Ultimate Gohan -> SSG Goku/Vegeta

Super anime only screw up because they didn’t know what to make of Goku and Vegeta’s base forms after they trained with Whis. In that fight against Gotenks, at least, Vegeta implies his copy is using the power of Super Saiyan God.

How exactly does Vegeta imply that?

Vegeta uses the same description that Goku used to explain Super Saiyan Blue to Freeza in RoF, which doesn’t work for its usages on Champa, Future Trunks and ToP story arcs, when his base form didn’t had that power (they needed SSG form to achieve that).

[TobyS]

The movie is not going to directly reference stupid anime only filler scaling.

However they will do the Toei thing of Base saiyans hanging in with opponents transformations are needed to bear later which is stupid but alas.

Base saiyans being God tier is over in all mediums, let it go.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta uses the same description that Goku used to explain Super Saiyan Blue to Freeza in RoF, which doesn’t work for its usages on Champa, Future Trunks and ToP story arcs, when his base form didn’t had that power (they needed SSG form to achieve that).

I saw the scene you are referring to. God, I wish Toriyama never did the god powered bases. Now this will always bug me.

[KentMan]

Helpful reminder that "base form" is not a transformation, but just the saiyans "true, normal" state of being. They transform to tap in their full power, but said full power is already there.

Rummush not affecting Goku can just mean that he's overall much stronger than the Kaioshin because his full power is achieved with the complete Super Saiyan Blue.

No Goku base is in the SSG tier not because of SSB

The movie is not going to directly reference stupid anime only filler scaling.

However they will do the Toei thing of Base saiyans hanging in with opponents transformations are needed to bear later which is stupid but alas.

Base saiyans being God tier is over in all mediums, let it go.

No it’s not Base Goku was handling Rumush roar in the Manga and was hanging with SSG tier opponents so yes everyone got it wrong again. Base Goku and Vegeta are SSG tier and beyond by an unknown amount.

[Koitsukai]

I think in this case it’s much simple to scale Gotenks -> Gohan -> Goku/Vegeta -> SS Gotenks -> SS Gohan -> SS Goku/Vegeta -> SS3 Gotenks -> Ultimate Gohan -> SSG Goku/Vegeta

Super anime only screw up because they didn’t know what to make of Goku and Vegeta’s base forms after they trained with Whis. In that fight against Gotenks, at least, Vegeta implies his copy is using the power of Super Saiyan God.

How exactly does Vegeta imply that?

Vegeta uses the same description that Goku used to explain Super Saiyan Blue to Freeza in RoF, which doesn’t work for its usages on Champa, Future Trunks and ToP story arcs, when his base form didn’t had that power (they needed SSG form to achieve that).

What scene are you referring to? I tried watching clips on YT and couldn't find that. I'm just trying to avoid watching that awful episode in its entirety. The implication is that the whole base Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks is not actually true?

[Hugo Boss]

How exactly does Vegeta imply that?

Vegeta uses the same description that Goku used to explain Super Saiyan Blue to Freeza in RoF, which doesn’t work for its usages on Champa, Future Trunks and ToP story arcs, when his base form didn’t had that power (they needed SSG form to achieve that).

What scene are you referring to? I tried watching clips on YT and couldn't find that. I'm just trying to avoid watching that awful episode in its entirety. The implication is that the whole base Vegeta > SS3 Gotenks is not actually true?

Episode 46 at minute 9:35. It’s when Goku transforms into Super Saiyan Blue. Given the way Vegeta describes it, Goku and Copy-Vegeta have the power of Super Saiyan God in their normal forms in that fight.

[ZombieVito]

Merch leaked and

Spoiler:

Fat Gotenks is the one in the movie.

I guess I was premature lol.

[KentMan]

Considering Gokus performance in this new chapter and recent ones. He’s more than likely stronger than Vegeta they clearly are not equals apparently. As if the Dragon Ball super super hero bios have not made that clear enough.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

At first I thought Gas was playing with him, but as the fight went on it’s clear that Goku is really hanging in there. Not sure if it’s out of experience or if he’s really on pair though, but he’s definitely stronger than Vegeta now.