Goku is simulating a battle with an adversary whom he has firsthand knowledge of how strong they are. It completely defeats the purpose of his intention of being prepared for opponents of Buu's level if there's some unspoken inhibition placed on Buu to keep him a competitive opponent for Goku's weakest transformation.Mr Baggins wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:44 pmThat doesn't matter, though. Goku doesn't have to worry about maintaining his distance like Vegeta because he's not actually fighting Boo. He's image training, and thus in no real danger whether he stands be on the losing end with regular SS or not. That's regardless of whether he's holding back, and the fact remains that A. Boo wasn't one-shotting Vegeta in SS2, and B. Goku tends to form cycle a lot.Lionel wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:45 pm As to Goku, he was charging headlong into a direct battle with Kid Buu.
There's just no evidence to suggest that there's some gargantuan difference between Goku's strength in the Boo arc and manga-BoG. He likely got a bit stronger since then, but it's nothing that the story felt was particularly worth noting.
Apart from the stated scenario and Goku's quick dispatch of Cell with just Super Saiyan, you mean? We see how Gohan could improve himself in one day's worth of labouring with the Z-Sword to garner the inspections of his father on his chances against Fat Buu. For Shin it was more likely just a way to conciliate the loss of the sword by having some kind of benefit come from the effort but Goku who has no such illusions didn't outright dismiss the idea, more like he expressed uncertainty on whether Gohan was actually superior to Buu. Goku may not have the same potential as his son nor the Z-Sword but he had three years to mentally simulate battles with Buu intermittently with his farming obligations.
It does sound crazy but that's what the manga presents. How to reconcile it... Buu provided the most clear cut and weighty benchmark for Goku since Cell. In the midst of training with the Yardratians he seemed focused on learning techniques; there wasn't any actual opponent besides Freeza whom he expected to be confronted with. For the cyborgs he only had the testimony of Trunks to go off of. Cell is his most substantially understood power precedent to train for and look how it enabled Goku to improve significantly, albeit he still came up short with the unanticipated Perfect form. In the afterlife Goku couldn't even find anyone on his base level to fuse with. I suspect his training benefits primarily stemmed from the environment and whatever the Kais could provide him like the training weights we see.Skar wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:55 pmWould that result in better gains than all his various training since the Freeza saga? A year on Yardrat, three years with Piccolo, a year with Gohan, and seven years in Other World vs occasional image training for four years? I know training gains aren't always consistent but that would mean image training was the most effective training he's ever done in his life up to that point.Lionel wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:18 pmUsing that random guesstimate? Probably around 10 million if you choose to use the SEG multipliers. We don't know for certain if SSJ Goku in that scene would have been able to defeat Kid Buu; only that he seemed willing to engage the Majin with just SSJ. At a minimum I believe he could have fought well against Kid Buu with SSJ though he may not have won without transforming further.