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Post by **Herms** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:06 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Well, Kuririn says the same exact thing about Butta, Jheese and Reacoom (the wording is even the same in the Japanese manga), and he could only be referring to their power, I think.

But the wording isn't the same. Kuririn says 同じぐらいの気, while Gohan just says 同じ気. ぐらい implies that an amount is being referred to, while Gohan's statement is more vague.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:59 am

Now, Freeza kills Vegeta with no effort at all, so he has to be at least at 3,000,000 at this point. When Goku is powered up after being healed in the healing tank, he is stated to be fighting evenly with Freeza. So, Goku's base level of 3,000,000 given in the Daizenshuu isn't a stretch at all.

From there, it's simple.

Yes, yes, except that Freeza who fought evenly with 3,000,000 Goku dodges a supposed 30,000,000 Goku's attacks with ease. And Goku, who's apparently jumping between three million and thirty million, takes the same amount of damage no matter when he's hit.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:47 pm

Rocketman wrote:Yes, yes, except that Freeza who fought evenly with 3,000,000 Goku dodges a supposed 30,000,000 Goku's attacks with ease.

Um, Freeza powered up. Or did you miss the part where Freeza and Goku end their warm-up? (This is also the exact time when the Kaiô-Ken first appears, and when Kaiô claims that Goku had already been using the Kaiô-Ken. Coincidence?)

Rocketman wrote:And Goku, who's apparently jumping between three million and thirty million, takes the same amount of damage no matter when he's hit.

The same thing happens later in the fight. Goku takes a beating here from 50% Freeza. Or do you expect me to believe that Goku is for some reason using his Kaiô-Ken while standing there making his Genki-Dama?