.....eavesdrops....idk man, didn't Akira do what he wanted in the manga? As far as I know, the most external interference he had in his work was from his editors (things like one saying "an old man and a fat man can't be the villains of this arc), the most influence the fans had on the series was Akio Iyoku giving the idea of making a Broly film and giving Gohan the spotlight in Super Hero as these two characters were popular among fans, that's all I know (I've also heard that Fukkatsu no F is more battle focused because fans complained about BoG having too much comedy)
Grimlock wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:14 am
Rafa Fast wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:57 pmThe true problem is people already saying that Daima sucks only because (...) and everyone being a kid again, They fucking never watched a single episode of it, how the fuck do they know that it sucks?
Dragon Ball Daima doesn't suck as of right now, but that aspect does indeed. Ever since 2008 we are stuck in the same time frame, and ever since then I'm waiting to see the characters grow up and get older, it is one of the most important features of Dragon Ball. So to see them regressing is the exact opposite of what I would like to see. Also, this is Dragon Ball, so we know what to expect. When Freeza was announced as the villain for the Movie 15, I just wanted to leave this Earth and find a better place to live, to this day I continue to want to do that rather than watching Movie 15, as it managed to turn out to be even worse than I imagined.
Then I believe that what you mean is that it sucks that this apparently won't make the story move foward and take us out of those damn 10 years
I don't see them becoming kids again as a problem because, as someone else already said in this thread, it could be important to establish the "new version of EoZ", where the characters would be much younger than their actual ages, if that's the case then I think it would be a good explanation (imo), and Toriyama supposedly doesn't like how everyone is too old in EoZ (again, demanding a source for this, I can't find it anywhere)
Now if that's indeed just a side story, then for me it's gonna be a waste, not only of the concept but a waste of a opportunity of moving forward with the story
This a side story I'm making just for fun to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the franchise, it will be no relevant, if that's the case, okay, it's cute, but damn, at least for me, specially stuff as the Makaioshins, could be very important elements for the major chronology, it's a concept that they are finally exploring after 30 years.
everyone's saying that it could be pre-BoG because of no Super characters or elements being present, but hey, wouldn't Super's version of Eoz also not feature stuff from Super as well? I don't see a reason for Beerus and Whis to show up in the 28th TB
Idk but I'm have the feeling that this could be the case, we get the new saga in the manga after the Super Hero one, this last saga gives us a conclusion to the Black Freeza story and tell us what happened to Beerus and Whis and that's it, what comes next is Daima and then new EoZ I guess?
Grimlock wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:27 pm
Well, I just noticed that Goku and Bulma are seemingly seeing each other in this new series. This may or may not contribute to it being set in an earlier period than what is expected. So it's either that or that famous line is thrown out of the window, with no way to make it work.
The latter is still the case. As Goku and Bulma last saw each other in Dragon Ball Super Broly, set in AGE 780. Goku and Bulma rounded up the amount of time to "five years", but in reality it was four years and X months. Unless we take into consideration the manga sagas (which... Does anyone still do that? We are to get yet another piece of material that will most likely ignore the manga events, so... Does anyone, deep down, really care about the manga sagas?), this series may indeed occur earlier if Toriyama is still willing to follow that old line, if he remembers that line, that is.
Well, I appreciate your effort in trying to make sense of this, but it's been a long time since I personally jumped on the bandwagon of believers that there's no way EoZ can be the same as before and that the whole thing will have to be rewritten. It's impossible to tell of Toriyama forgot that line from Bulma, but I can say that it's quite possible that he ignored it and just wants to move on with the story the way he sees fit.
I wonder if this is taking a while to happen for creative reasons, maybe Toriyama doesn't really like Goten, Present Trunks, Uub and Pan, or doesn't have faith that they could carry the series from here on in, AFAIK Goku and Vegeta have already become " masters" in EoZ, their arcs are already over and they have nothing left to learn, like, I like GT, and GT tries to continue with Goku, but the vast majority don't like GT, so...this could indicate that Toriyama doesn't want to reach EoZ because he's afraid he won't know what to do after this event? (which is quite ironic because it is precisely in a post-EoZ story that there are more possibilities for anything to happen)
Well anyway, the only thing I'm really afraid of in Daima is this possibility that it's just a side story that won't move the series forward (and also that the series might be shit, but I have fun with almost anything DB so I'm probably going to like it)
I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't affect the story at all, the 2008 OVA is there and, were Abo and Cado ever mentioned again? The events of that movie? Tarble? Yes, he is mentioned twice afterwards but remove those mentions and literally nothing will change
Fortunately I think this story will be huge stuff for the chronology, fortunately I think there is more chance of this story being a big deal for the main chronology, since Battle of Gods the stories in which Toriyama is most involved are the ones that matter most to Super (in short, those of the films), U6, Zamasu, ToP, Moro and Granolla, all had little involvement from him,
which is why they don't seem to be very relevant sagas with little connection between them.
Mr Baggins wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:27 pm
I watched the teaser again and just noticed that the Boo/BoG era designs are used for Bulma and some of the other characters.
Only Chichi and Mr. Satan have their designs from BoG (the colours don't even match 100%), Yamcha is his Boo Saga design but with long hair, all the other characters have completely new designs (with the exception of Piccolo, Roshi, Puer, Gyumao, Kaioshin and Kibito, these all are with their original designs from their debut arcs)
I simply wouldn't want to imagine my life without Dragon Ball, thank you Akira Toriyama (1955-2024), you are now immortal.