The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Koitsukai]

1) Cell Games but instead of Perfect Cell, the gang is fighting DBS Broly from that era (no SS, no Ohzaru, just his base form), can they do it?
How strong was DBS Broly back then? could they take him? would a genki dama do it? how about SS2 Gohan's Super KHH aided by Goku's Super KHH?

2) Z Broly vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (only base) + Z Broly movie gang (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo - no power of friendship)
So, the guys that fought Z Broly on New Vegeta but with DBS Broly with them. Could a much younger DBS Broly put down Z Broly? or was he already greater than everything Z had to offer? does he need the help of the gang?

3) Z Broly's second coming vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (just base form). If he lost the first time, could a zenkai boost help Z Broly secure the win?

[dragon boss z]

Doesn't catching korin mean goku surpassed him?

Yeah the team can beat goku here if he can't use higher multipliers.

Guldo is underrated. Gohan was probably stronger than zarbon at this point his powers give him the win. He's on the gforce for a reason.

Present trunks is stronger but not 50x people can't power scale fucking hell.

Goku is only a little above ss1 cell games gohan here, so it depends how you think he'd fair too.

Lets say he can beat the cell that was holding back, but without gohans rage boosts he needs ss2.

I think even Bog ss1 goku struggles with full power PC.

-I also initially thought catching Korin would mean surpassing him, but the shonen jump power level chart gave him a power level of 190. You could argue this is supported by post 22nd Goku thinking Korin could still train him. However Korin said no, Goku already surpassed him. So Korin is either weaker than post Tambourine fight Goku, 22nd Goku, or post Korin training Goku. It really comes down to if you take those power levels seriously.

-The team can't work together. So lets say post Guru Krillin by himself vs KKx2 Goku.

-Gohan was weaker than Zarbon initially, and it was stated their power levels were "over 10,000" when attacking Guldo with the daizenshuu putting him at 14,000 I think. However that might not have been his power limit and the anime does say he went over 20,000 with the masenko. But that would still be below monster Zarbon who would be near 30,000.

-teen Future Trunks is heavily nerfed due to the fact he was losing to base future Gohan who is confirmed weaker than Yardrat Goku. So you still think base Buu saga Trunks stands no chance at all?

-ssj2 Goku was a bit above ssj2 Cell games Goku, but that doesn't have to hold true with all forms. Gohan could have very well gotten a rage boost on top of ssj2. If you believe ssj2 is a 2x multiplier from ssj as the super exciting guide claims, then he would almost have definitely gotten a rage boost. Goku also implies he did in the Buu saga, saying that Gohan has to get mad (knowing Gohan can turn ssj2 at will). So theoretically ssj Buu saga Goku could be multiple times stronger than Cell games ssj Gohan, with his ssj2 only being slightly ahead of rage ssj2 Gohan.

-the Super manga has ssj Goku easily defeat perfect Cell in image training, and was about to fight kid Buu. At bare minimum this should put his ssj a good deal above the suppressed perfect Cell that fought Goku.

[dragon boss z]

Buu saga Piccolo vs. SSj Buu Saga Goku

- No outside help
- Goku can't go SSj2 and SSj3
- Piccolo has no weight clothes

Who wins?

Goku stomps. Some people even think base Goku could win, though I personally have Piccolo winning that due to Beerus saying Frieza>base Goku.

[nineko]

Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?

[TobyS]

Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?

North kai was about as strong as Nappa I think, fusions a mbig multiplier so he easily beats both saiyans.

I don't see him beating freeza tho.

[Gogetason]

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

[TobyS]

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

Pui pui is blitzed I have him Saiyan saga vegeta level.

Majin Yakon is about the same but has blades and ki eating he wins.

Dabura is compared to spc initially and then his assessment is revised upwards. AND he has the stone spit as a fall back

[Mr Perfect Cell]

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.

[TobyS]

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.

Even if he's comparing him to perfect cell and not super perfect initially there's a line where he reasses dabras strength and says he's stronger than he thought.

[Mr Perfect Cell]

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

Pui Pui gets obliterated but yakon is on par or a little weaker but since Frieza doesn't have knowledge about his ki succ he might lose also he fights in the dark and this frieza can't sense ki so it will make things difficult.

Even to this day its hard for which cell dabura is compared to but i feel like if he was SPC lvl Goku/Vegeta would see him as more of a threat since SPC is on par with CG Gohan which Goku/Vegeta barley surpassed. I would say he's comparable to the 2nd strongest cell at best and that is the last power goku felt from cell when he was alive (not sure if he knew how strong spc was tbh). Dabura puts up a fight but unless he gets a lucky hit with his spit he loses.

Even if he's comparing him to perfect cell and not super perfect initially there's a line where he reasses dabras strength and says he's stronger than he thought.

True but its mostly due to his pparent magic seeing the full quote and context hes a lot tougher than he thought. I just have Dabura >= Cell just to give him a slight power advantage on top, still fitting with the statement.

[ZombieVito]

Controlled SS Broly (as seen vs Beast Gohan) vs Zombie Gas

Controlled SS Broly vs TUI Goku and UE Vegeta (Granny arc)

Controlled SS Broly vs Orange Piccolo (SH)

Broly loses all of them.

Tao vs 22nd Krillin/Yamcha/Chiaotzu (not together 1v1 against each)

Tao vs Chichi (does she really have a power level of 130 like shonen jump says?)

Korin vs 22nd Goku (shonen jump says his power level is 190, did Goku get a zenkai and surpass Korin after Tambourine fight or is the number wrong?)

Old King Piccolo vs 23rd Yamcha/Krillin (1v1 not together)

Babidi vs saiyan saga Yajirobe/Chaiotzu (1v1)

Jaco vs Raditz

Guru awakened Gohan/Krillin vs saiyan saga kaioken x2 Goku (1v1)

Guldo vs monster Zarbon

Buu saga Krillin vs Buu saga tien vs base Goten (order these 3)

Buu saga base Trunks vs ssj 14 year old future Trunks that sparred with base Gohan

Kibito vs end of namek saga base Goku

Yakon vs Android 19 (pre and post absorption)

strongest form of Cell pre ROSAT ssj Goten can beat

Supreme Kai vs pre tournament training buu saga ssj Gohan

base Gotenks pre ROSAT vs buu saga ssj2 Gohan

base Gotenks post ROSAT vs ssj2 Goku

buu saga ssj Goku vs super perfect Cell

1) Tao loses all of the fights.
2) Tao gets one shotted.
3) Yes, Goku got a zenkai and that's how he surpassed Korin.
4) King Piccolo beats them both.
5) Babidi explodes them like he did Spopovitch.
6) RoF Jaco one shots.
7) Goku.
8 ) Zarbon.
9) Goten > Krillin > Tenshinhan.
10) Future Trunks gets finger flicked.
11) Kibito one shots.
12) Yakon only wins pre absorptions.
13) Semi Cell.
14) Gohan.
15) Even SS Gohan wins.
16) Even SS Goku wins.

Buu saga Piccolo vs. SSj Buu Saga Goku

- No outside help
- Goku can't go SSj2 and SSj3
- Piccolo has no weight clothes

Who wins?

Goku destroys. Piccolo doesn't surpass this Goku until the U6 arc.

SSj Namek Saga Vegeta vs. 100% Full Power Freeza

If Vegeta became a SSj in the Namek saga, would he able to beat Freeza at full power?

Vegeta but it's not easy.

1) Cell Games but instead of Perfect Cell, the gang is fighting DBS Broly from that era (no SS, no Ohzaru, just his base form), can they do it?
How strong was DBS Broly back then? could they take him? would a genki dama do it? how about SS2 Gohan's Super KHH aided by Goku's Super KHH?

2) Z Broly vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (only base) + Z Broly movie gang (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo - no power of friendship)
So, the guys that fought Z Broly on New Vegeta but with DBS Broly with them. Could a much younger DBS Broly put down Z Broly? or was he already greater than everything Z had to offer? does he need the help of the gang?

3) Z Broly's second coming vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (just base form). If he lost the first time, could a zenkai boost help Z Broly secure the win?

DBS Broly kills everyone.

Would a potara fusion of Enma and North Kai have been helpful in the battles against Nappa and Vegeta?

Very helpful.

Nappa gets toast easily and Vegeta might not even manage to win with Oozaru.

Pui Pui and Yokan vs Namek Frieza

Dabura vs super pefect cell

1) Freeza. Yakon was around base Goku from the Boo arc, who was still weaker than Freeza 4 years later.
2) They are equals but I say Dabura. He has his spit and magic.

[Nodeo-Franvier]

Monster Zarbon and Vegeta vs Reacoom or Burter or Jeice or Nail

[GatoF]

Monster Zarbon and Vegeta vs Reacoom or Burter or Jeice or Nail

They lose to each of them, maybe they can beat Nail if they work together but it's unlikely

[GatoF]

1. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs SSJ2 Vegeta ( Buu arc pre-majin)
2. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

[TobyS]

1. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs SSJ2 Vegeta ( Buu arc pre-majin)
2. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

Dabra is stronger than spc imo initially compared to him and then said to be stronger than they first thought. Goku and Gohan only surpassed cell games gohan with ss2 and that was with majin boost. So I think without it vegeta was weaker and was banking on only being able to beat present weaker ss2 gohan.

Trunks is as strong as gohan or a little stronger. Maybe as strong as buu saga goku.

Yeah trunks is between cg gohan and ss2 goku.
Vegeta is between rusty ss2 gohan and cell games gohan ss2

If a tired ss1 with the energy of 4 other wounded ss1 level guys can beat broly a fresh and better than average ss2 can do it

[GatoF]

SSJ2 Teen Gohan x Super Perfect Cell

This time both at 100% in a 1 vs 1 with no outside positive or negative influence (no vegeta, no goku talk etc)

[Almighty Majin]

SSJ2 Teen Gohan x Super Perfect Cell

This time both at 100% in a 1 vs 1 with no outside positive or negative influence (no vegeta, no goku talk etc)

I see it turning out like SSJ2 Gohan vs Bojack in the Bojack movie although it would probably be closer.

[Hellspawn28]

Shenlong vs. Cosmo and Wanda from The Fairly OddParents.

Who has better wishing powers?

[ZombieVito]

SSJ2 Teen Gohan x Super Perfect Cell

This time both at 100% in a 1 vs 1 with no outside positive or negative influence (no vegeta, no goku talk etc)

This is Gohan vs Dabra round 2.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1) Cell Games but instead of Perfect Cell, the gang is fighting DBS Broly from that era (no SS, no Ohzaru, just his base form), can they do it?
How strong was DBS Broly back then? could they take him? would a genki dama do it? how about SS2 Gohan's Super KHH aided by Goku's Super KHH?

2) Z Broly vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (only base) + Z Broly movie gang (Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo - no power of friendship)
So, the guys that fought Z Broly on New Vegeta but with DBS Broly with them. Could a much younger DBS Broly put down Z Broly? or was he already greater than everything Z had to offer? does he need the help of the gang?

3) Z Broly's second coming vs Cell Games arc DBS Broly (just base form). If he lost the first time, could a zenkai boost help Z Broly secure the win?

From what I understand, Broly's power was rising as he fought Vegeta, he wasn't that strong right off the bat. So I guess the gang can fight Goku for a couple seconds, but he eventually beats everyone. They're nowhere near his limit. And this applies to all fighters here.

1. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs SSJ2 Vegeta ( Buu arc pre-majin)
2. SSJ2 Future Trunks (first transformation) vs Movie 8 LSSJ Broly

1. I actually have them as more or less the same, Trunks might be a bit stronger but Vegeta is the better fighter.

2. I think M8 Broly is Dabra level at best. He gets destroyed.

SSJ2 Teen Gohan x Super Perfect Cell

This time both at 100% in a 1 vs 1 with no outside positive or negative influence (no vegeta, no goku talk etc)

You mean CG Gohan, right? The idea I get from the beam struggle is that Gohan was always going to win if he didn't get insecure, so I guess Gohan's lead is comfortable enough for him to win despite Cell's regeneration, but it wouldn't be a walk in the park. Think Cell vs Goku, but Gohan takes Cell's place and Cell takes Goku's.

I imagine. He might stomp if we assume SPC = Dabra, but I think Dabra = FP Cell makes more sense since Dabra was weaker than Boo Saga Gohan.