Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 2 - Official Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

There are fun and exciting ways to tell a story outside of fights scenes. A fight scene is merely one tool for a storyteller to use to tell a story.

[Jord]

The first episode of DB literally had the action sequence with the pterodactyl.

[AliTheZombie13]

The first episode of DB literally had the action sequence with the pterodactyl.

You mean that sequence that goes like,
"Oh, this kid is stupid. Can you turn around for a bit?"
"Hey, what are these ropes for? Is this some kind of game?"
"YOU IDIOT!!!! HE TRICKED YOU!!! SAVE ME!!!"
"Oh, okay."
*Goku effortlessly defeats Pterodactyl, Bulma pees herself*

Because that's not what I think about when you say "Action is a huge part of DB."
But hey, you have Goku breaking a stone pillar and practicing moves with the Nyoibo, so that's action, right?

[ZombieVito]

-- "I know about this Neva guy from long ago." But I thought you didn't have any memories of your pre-Earth life? How do you know that?

Maybe it's Nail's memories/knowledge?

Piccolo didn't even know about Shin, how would he know about the long distant universe Shin possibly came from?
And even then, Dende seemed to act surprised when Deguse told him last episode he was from the Demon Realm, too.

But Piccolo did know about the Kaioshin. He just never meet Shin.

[AliTheZombie13]

But Piccolo did know about the Kaioshin. He just never meet Shin.

He didn't know about the Kaioshin, specifically, he suspected there was a being above the Grand Kaio, and even asked if Shin was the Grand Kaio before he introduced himself, but he didn't know what exactly they were. (And to be honest, the more Toriyama retcons Shin's role out of "Lord of Creation", the more I keep asking myself what exactly is his role then?)

[PeteyVX]

- Why is Mr. Popo saying "Namek"? He should still have his memories and recall calling them Namekians, even if the Demon Realm characters call them Nameks. (In an unrelated note, his voice actor doesn't appear to be doing the whole broken Japanese thing (or maybe he is and I just have bad hearing) and I very much appreciate that.)

- If Piccolo knew the Namekians were from the Demon Realm this whole time, why did he still call them 'Namekians' in Super and not 'Nameks' like he does here? Is this series actually just ignoring Super?

I can't find the original post that pointed this out but I believe the translation distinction comes from the difference between Namekku-jin and Namekkusei-jin. I think it has to do with whether a person is actually a Namek or if they're originally from Planet Namek.

I was under the impression that 'sei' after a number shows how many generations you are from a first generation person born in Japan. If I'm getting that right, then 'nisei' would mean you are ethnically Japanese but born in a different country.

I'm not fluent in Japanese by any means, just a casual student so if anyone has a better understanding of that distinction than me, then by all means feel free to correct or confirm.

[No9tro]

But Piccolo did know about the Kaioshin. He just never meet Shin.

He didn't know about the Kaioshin, specifically, he suspected there was a being above the Grand Kaio, and even asked if Shin was the Grand Kaio before he introduced himself, but he didn't know what exactly they were.

Except Piccolo was the one to mention the name Kaioshin after he was told he was the god above the Kaio. So he for sure knew about them.

[JulieYBM]

I'm pretty sure Shen Long's thing is more just, "He can grant three wishes now, but that's really up to how he feels about you. It makes him more of a casual being, to go along with how casual the Dragon Balls are used in the series. The effect of , "Oh shit, Beers-sama is here!" In the Beers arc was a similar casual effect for him. The Dragon Balls don't operate on strict rules, which is why Dende has said that he 'powers up' the Dragon Balls, not changes their rules.

[AliTheZombie13]

I'm pretty sure Shen Long's thing is more just, "He can grant three wishes now, but that's really up to how he feels about you. It makes him more of a casual being, to go along with how casual the Dragon Balls are used in the series. The effect of , "Oh shit, Beers-sama is here!" In the Beers arc was a similar casual effect for him. The Dragon Balls don't operate on strict rules, which is why Dende has said that he 'powers up' the Dragon Balls, not changes their rules.

Are you telling me that Porunga could've revived everybody in the Namek arc, he just didn't want to until the Namekians told him to fix up at the end of Boo?

[PeteyVX]

JulieYBM, I really do like that about Shenlong now. Straight up, if he doesn't like you then you might get the minimum number of wishes. I think it works perfectly with his reaction to Beerus. If he's afraid of you, you might get a perk as well! I wonder what Shenlong thinks about people's wishes. Has it ever been addressed what he is doing when he is not summoned? I always assumed he was hibernating in the balls, but could he be perceiving what's going on in between summonings?

Also it makes me laugh to imagine him and Bulma become friends or him being annoyed with her after she summoned him so many times to help with her skin care routine.

[GTx10]

Mr. Pope with no turban is wild! For whatever reason Toriyama was really hung up on demons and the demon realm for Dragon Ball in his later years. Maybe it's to fit within that Journey to the West theme DB used to have. Perhaps he ran out of heavenly gods and figured "I'll do demons now." Either way in all for it!

This show feels like DB and flows well enough that it had my full attention.

[Xeogran]

Has it ever been addressed what he is doing when he is not summoned?

A funny crossover between DB and One Piece, Cross Epoch, shows that Shenron remains quite chill even outside of wishes

Spoiler:

[Issei189]

I just remembered that Shenron only a granted a single wish for cheelai and lemo in DBS Broly when they wished for Broly to saved. Then Shenron left.

[JulieYBM]

I'm pretty sure Shen Long's thing is more just, "He can grant three wishes now, but that's really up to how he feels about you. It makes him more of a casual being, to go along with how casual the Dragon Balls are used in the series. The effect of , "Oh shit, Beers-sama is here!" In the Beers arc was a similar casual effect for him. The Dragon Balls don't operate on strict rules, which is why Dende has said that he 'powers up' the Dragon Balls, not changes their rules.

Are you telling me that Porunga could've revived everybody in the Namek arc, he just didn't want to until the Namekians told him to fix up at the end of Boo?

I seem to recall that Polunga is explicitly said to have been powered up in the Majin Buu arc so that he is capable of reviving a mass number of people. How the white magic power is divided up and spent might also be set by the maker of the Balls, but I don't recall anyone saying that the dragons need to grant wishes. Haven't they explicitly asked if they can leave while the characters have deliberated over how to use wishes?

[Grimlock]

He's not blue. It has been settled back in Super Hero.

Nothing was settled. To go with the manga colors is just an arbitrary artistic choice. They could have gone with the anime colors for Piccolo as well if they wanted to. And Karin is blue.

I just remembered that Shenron only a granted a single wish for cheelai and lemo in DBS Broly when they wished for Broly to saved. Then Shenron left.

Shenlong also granted just one wish for Beerus in Movie 14. Though in that case, I think you can say Shenlong was scared and "flew away".

[Mr Baggins]

Perfect start. No commentary.

Just like last week, I'm consistently entertained and thoroughly engaged even though this series only just began. Not one second of runtime felt wasted. No other episodic DB show has accomplished that feat ever outside of maybe DBZ Kai, the latter only because it was more faithful to the manga.

Also, the comedic timing in this episode is pure Toriyama. I don't laugh easily, and I laughed a lot. Already can't wait for next Friday.

[Luso Saiyan]

Nothing was settled.

Yes, it was. They specifically asked Toriyama to draw Karin as he envisioned him. And he did:



In the past, he colored him white, blue and brown. He settled on white.

They could have gone with the anime colors for Piccolo as well if they wanted to.

Yes, they (finally) chose to stay faithful to Toriyama's illustrations of Piccolo.

[TechExpert2021]

For those who want the Japanese lyrics of "Jaka Jaan" and the English translation, here it is. I hope the site admins will add this to the Lyric Database, with revisions to the English translation if necessary (since the translation was done by me).

ジャカ☆ジャ〜ン

Jaka ☆ Jān

Jaka ☆ Jaan

Opening Theme to Dragon Ball Daima

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Lyrics: Yukinojō Mori
Composition: Anton Zaslavski, KEEN (C&K)
Vocals: Zedd feat. C&K

Spoiler:

Lyrics in Japanese

ウッヒョッヒョ！
冒険すっゾ！　絶対［ぜってぇ］(1)ハマるゾ！
謎だらけの　魔界だ
DAIMAワンダーランド

オットット！
ハート縮んで　調子出ない日も
夢はTORI（とり）どり　なYAMA（やま）(2)ない
AKIRA（諦）めない

Here comes a New Story
何千の一撃［ジャブ］(3)が　変なギャグが
待っているんだ

ジャ〜ン！　ジャカ☆ジャ〜ン
さぁ勇気ファンファーレ（ジャン！ジャカ☆ジャ〜ン）
全開ヤベぇ戦闘［バトル］(4)　ワクワクが止まらない
ねぇ神龍［シェンロン］…願い叶えて（叶えて）
明日も凄っげぇヤツに逢いたい

Romanized Japanese Lyrics

Uhhyohhyo!
Bōken suzzo!　Zettē hamaru zo!
Nazo darake no　makai da
Daima wandārando

Ottotto!
Hāto chijin de　chōshi denai hi mo
Yume ha TORIdori　NaYAMAnai
AKIRAmenai

Here comes a New Story
Nanzen no jabu ga　henna gyagu ga
Matte irunda

Jān!　Jaka ☆ Jān
Sā yūki fanfāre (Jan! Jaka ☆ Jān)
Zenkai yabē batoru　Wakuwaku ga tomaranai
Nē Shenron　negai kanaete (kanaete)
Ashita mo suggē yatsu ni aitai

Lyrics in English

Woo hoo hoo!
We're going on an adventure! You'll definitely get hooked!
The Demon Realm is full of mysteries
Daima Wonderland

Whoopsie daisy!
My heart is shrinking, even on days when I feel bad
Dreams are everywhere, don't worry
Never give up

Here comes a new story
Thousands of jabs and strange gags
They're waiting for you

Jaan! Jaka ☆ Jaan
Come on now, it's a courageous fanfare (Jan! Jaka ☆ Jaan)
With the full-throttle crazy battles, the excitement won't stop

Hey, Shenlong... Grant my wish (Grant my wish)
I wanna meet someone amazing again tomorrow

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(1) The kanji given for "zettē" reads "zettai" ("definitely").
(2) Read as "悩ま" ("nayama", meaning "worry").
(3) The kanji given for "jabu" (the English word "jab" in katakana) read "ichigeki" ("single hit").
(4) The kanji given for “batoru” (the English word “battle” in katakana) read “sentō” (same meaning).

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English Translation: Daitouden

[fadeddreams5]

My impressions:

• It doesn't make sense that only the main cast became small. Everybody on Earth helped fight Majin Buu when they provided energy to the spirit bomb. If the wish meant those that literally fought him, then characters like Master Roshi and Bulma shouldn't be small.

• I found it amusing that Daima Goku has little control over his small body, but GT Goku immediately adapted. This is consistent with how modern/Super Goku is depicted, while GT portrayed him as a more wise martial arts master.

• I find the series cute so far, and giving me some OG Dragon Ball vibes, but seeing that clean animation also ironically bothers me because DBS looked like absolute ass until the ToP arc. I'll be honest, it's the gorgeous presentation that has me wanting to see more, but if this was animated like pre-ToP Super was, I wouldn't even bother watching it at all. All of these resources should have been used to capitalize on what the mainstream wanted: a Super continuation. But alas, I'll still enjoy Daima for what it is.

[nineko]

It doesn't make sense that only the main cast became small. Everybody on Earth helped fight Majin Buu when they provided energy to the spirit bomb. If the wish meant those that literally fought him, then characters like Master Roshi and Bulma shouldn't be small.

Yes, the one who literally fought him, and all their friends:


No issues here. Though, I now have to wonder if they're explicitly avoiding to show Gohan, because at least some of his classmates should have been considered "friends" as well.