Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 2 - Official Discussion Thread

[AliTheZombie13]

But I'm saying that GT sucks because it's not being fully written at all. It's a commercial project as much as the original comic, but Toriyama at least got to be creative. GT is bad because it's staff is restrained by commercial interests outside of their control.

I do agree with that. If the creative team didn't have the immense backlash against it, maybe we would've gotten the longer Black Star saga as it was intended, and we wouldn't have the entire show being rushed out the window.

[LoganForkHands73]

The problem with GT's first arc is that you can absolutely tell that Toriyama did not have a hand in that project. I appreciate what GT tries to do, and agree that it's the right choice after the Buu arc, but man GT is absolutely a dud. I tried doing a rewatch a couple of years back after re-reading the original Dragon Ball, and I couldn't make it past the 5th episode. Unfortunately, GT more than earns its reputation even if I do have some nostalgia for it.


For Daima it's hard to say where it lands since not only do we only have about two episodes, but those two episodes havent' really done much to tell us what we're exactly in for. And I do buy the idea that these first couple of eps were probably meant to be one long episode to set the audience up for this story. That being said, I think there's a lot of potential to this series as it could finally do the thing and take this franchise in uncharted territory.

I guess what I'm trying to say is:

Fuck the notion that Daima needs to connect itself to that anime.

I honestly have no idea why people are obsessed with having this "one true Timeline" when no one working DB cares about it. In fact I think it's detrimental to that potential if Daima has to focus on also lining itself with Super so that it "makes sense." Screw that. If it makes things any easier, just see this as an alternate universe retelling. There. Now it doesn't matter if anything is canon.

Agreed. I like Super for what it is, but the notion that it all has to fit perfectly together... let's just say I'm well over it. I don't think Daima is maliciously going out of its way to contradict Super as some people suggest, but I also believe it won't go out of its way to accommodate the continuity of a sub-franchise that Toriyama had limited involvement in.

I have a prediction that Toyotaro will make a "Demon Realm arc" in the Super manga that tries to reconcile both series together somehow, basically retell the story of Daima with some occasional cutaways to whatever Beerus and Whis were up to at the time, but that will probably be the extent of it.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, that was a massive improvement over the first episode as there was much more narrative progression that was also really well entwined with new lore that was paced much better. I'm still not sold on the whole kid/chibi gimmick that they have going on with the main cast, but I hope I'll warm up to it in the future.

I am very interested in the idea of Kaioshin being a central figure in the story and I hope this leads to so much need characterisation and personal development for him.

[Mr Baggins]

Episode 1's "narrative progression" = Gomah learns what happened to Boo (this is the recap) then hatches plan with Degusu, they travel to Universe 7 and bring Neva with them, Neva gathers Earth's Dragon Balls while Gomah wishes for Goku and friends to become kids again

Episode 2's "narrative progression" = Goku and friends cope with being kids, Bulma starts repairing Kaioshin's ship while Goku retrieves his nyoibo, Glorio arrives and Goku and Kaioshin leave with him

I think some people are getting the impression that the first episode was paced slower because it had a lot of talking and fewer changes in scenery. That's not really pacing related at all, though. Both episodes flow roughly the same in terms of how much they actually progress the plot, and both are completely fine.

[Envy]

Glorio looks so much like Mira from the Xenoverse series it threw me off. I guess the resemblance is a little lesser now that I go back and look at Mira, but still.

Anyway, yup, Gomah's wish led to exactly what he didn't want to happen happening. The DB cast is now coming after him whereas they wouldn't have any reason to otherwise! I really hope that as someone responded to me in the last episode's topic with that it's supposed to be a representation of Gomah's character not being very bright instead of it being supposed to be the whole justification for this series and making the characters small. I guess it's a gag and I need to chill. lol

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

My brother and I are going to make this our weekly Friday get together thing. We've both enjoyed it a lot, especially the comedic bits. Two things of note for me: 1) Nozawa sounded in top form this episode. 2) I couldn't help but smile at the Nyoi-bo demonstration.
As for the whole Shen Long bit creating inconsistent continuity, I think it's better that Toriyama just ignored the rules and did what he felt was funny. The Dragon has never been the most consistent character anyway. He dipped after one wish because he was scared of Beerus.

[jjgp1112]

Toriyama's been all over the place with Dende's age, even during the Buu saga lmao. During the Great Saiyaman and early Buu stuff he looked like a teenager but by the time he came back after Super Buu merked everybody he was drawn like a kid again.

I guess it's plausible that Dende was even younger than Gohan n the Namek saga and so by the Buu saga he's only like 12/13

[Salt-sensei]

I have 0 reasons to believe this (besides my desire for Towa and Mira to be used in some way), but I think Glorio is related to Dabra on some level. If he is then Glorio has a reason to screw with Gomah's plans to rule the Demon Realm.

[Soba Mask]

Deaging = expanding lifespan = white magic
Aging = shortening lifespan = black magic

What?

The dragon balls function on white and black magic rules, as established in episode 1. Deaging someone yields a positive result, adding lifespan, so it's considered white magic. Reverting the wish would be aging someone forward and therefore shortening their lifespan, a negative result, black magic.

You are aware that they will use the DB again to get back to normal? So why not using Porunga first instead of panicking how to get back?

[jcogginsa]

Thus far they haven't mentioned using the Demon World's dragonballs to restore their ages. They're going there to rescue Dende

[tinlunlau]

Just read an article that 12 of the principle voice cast have been replaced with the exception of Masako Nozawa. But when I saw this week's episode, Piccolo and Vegeta didn't sound any different than usual.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

Just read an article that 12 of the principle voice cast have been replaced with the exception of Masako Nozawa. But when I saw this week's episode, Piccolo and Vegeta didn't sound any different than usual.

This one by Crunchyroll? https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest ... creditless

I will say that it's impressive just how much the actors sound like the originals. When I first heard Vegeta I thought that Ryo Horikawa was possibly being pitch shifted. The one change that doesn't make sense is not using Maiyumi Tanaka as Kuririn when she's always done both the child and adult voices for that character.

[Yuji]

What?

The dragon balls function on white and black magic rules, as established in episode 1. Deaging someone yields a positive result, adding lifespan, so it's considered white magic. Reverting the wish would be aging someone forward and therefore shortening their lifespan, a negative result, black magic.

You are aware that they will use the DB again to get back to normal? So why not using Porunga first instead of panicking how to get back?

They haven't mentioned they're using the dragon balls and even if they are, it's more likely the demon realm DBs function on black magic instead.

[Jord]

Yeah, the mini cast sounded quite impressive. I thought Piccolo just has his regular VA.

[tinlunlau]

Just read an article that 12 of the principle voice cast have been replaced with the exception of Masako Nozawa. But when I saw this week's episode, Piccolo and Vegeta didn't sound any different than usual.

This one by Crunchyroll? https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest ... creditless

I will say that it's impressive just how much the actors sound like the originals. When I first heard Vegeta I thought that Ryo Horikawa was possibly being pitch shifted. The one change that doesn't make sense is not using Maiyumi Tanaka as Kuririn when she's always done both the child and adult voices for that character.

Well the article I read was in Chinese but I guess yours work just as well.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Just read an article that 12 of the principle voice cast have been replaced with the exception of Masako Nozawa. But when I saw this week's episode, Piccolo and Vegeta didn't sound any different than usual.

This is correct, and it was announced on the official Dragon Ball site, so doesn't get more legit than that.

The new cast are amazing soundalikes, like you I could have sworn it was Toshio Furukawa and Ryō Horikawa as Piccolo and Vegeta.

The new cast is as follows:

Mai Nakahara – Bulma
Yudai Mino – Vegeta
Tomohiro Yamaguchi – Piccolo
Aki Kaneda – Kuririn/Krillin
Ai Kakuma – Chi-Chi
Kanemitsu Nobuaki – Kame-sennin/Master Roshi
Taonaga Tsubasa – Trunks
Goto Erina – Dende
Kimiko Saito – Mr. Popo
Yusuke Handa – Kibito
Toru Sakurail – Mr. Satan
Shiho Amuro – Majin Boo

It's really telling that Masako Nozawa as Goku wasn't recast. For better or for worse she will be playing the character till the end.

[tinlunlau]

Just read an article that 12 of the principle voice cast have been replaced with the exception of Masako Nozawa. But when I saw this week's episode, Piccolo and Vegeta didn't sound any different than usual.

This is correct, and it was announced on the official Dragon Ball site, so doesn't get more legit than that.

The new cast are amazing soundalikes, like you I could have sworn it was Toshio Furukawa and Ryō Horikawa as Piccolo and Vegeta.

The new cast is as follows:

Mai Nakahara – Bulma
Yudai Mino – Vegeta
Tomohiro Yamaguchi – Piccolo
Aki Kaneda – Kuririn/Krillin
Ai Kakuma – Chi-Chi
Kanemitsu Nobuaki – Kame-sennin/Master Roshi
Taonaga Tsubasa – Trunks
Goto Erina – Dende
Kimiko Saito – Mr. Popo
Yusuke Handa – Kibito
Toru Sakurail – Mr. Satan
Shiho Amuro – Majin Boo

It's really telling that Masako Nozawa as Goku wasn't recast. For better or for worse she will be playing the character till the end.

Toei figured we are going to riot if they ever replace Masako Nozawa so they keep her around for their own safety. That's the one thing I give Toei credit for.

[Trouser]

So, the voice replacements are only for the DAIMA anime or are they permanent?

[PeteyVX]

Deaging = expanding lifespan = white magic
Aging = shortening lifespan = black magic

What?

The dragon balls function on white and black magic rules, as established in episode 1. Deaging someone yields a positive result, adding lifespan, so it's considered white magic. Reverting the wish would be aging someone forward and therefore shortening their lifespan, a negative result, black magic.

When I first read this it made sense to me, but after sleeping on it I wonder if it really is so black and white (no pun intended). Wouldn't a person's intentions impact whether the magic is considered black or white? The reason I suggest this is because if they used the dragon balls to wish everyone back to their normal age then by your definition that would be black magic.

[DestructoDisc]

Gonna make a wild bet and say Glorio will turn out to be the surprise main villain of the arc, and the king he's working for that he was talking about is actually the scientist lady from the previous episode. These 2 scream Mira and Towa based on their designs.