Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 2 - Official Discussion Thread

[AliTheZombie13]

I do wonder if Goku in Daima will be able to do the teleport.
He hasn't for some reason in Episode 2.

Speaking of... Why can't they just... use Shin's teleport to go straight to Gomah?
Shin can teleport anywhere, without any need to sense Ki.

[PeteyVX]

Cause he knows he has to ride the password fish to be able to enter/leave the Demon Realm. It kinda comes down to the old "why didn't the fellowship ride the eagles to Mordor?" thing. Because that wouldn't make for a very good story.

[Saimaroimaru]

Cause he knows he has to ride the password fish to be able to enter/leave the Demon Realm. It kinda comes down to the old "why didn't the fellowship ride the eagles to Mordor?" thing. Because that wouldn't make for a very good story.

Mostly because it would have tipped off the enemy to where they are going and all that, meaning battles with Nazgul on wings on a near constant basis, and by the time they get to Mordor, Sauron would have been prepared. The point in the books was secrecy. At least that's the surface level reason for the fellowship.

[mecha3000]

So, judging by Daima dub trailer, there's footage in it that wasn't in episodes 1 and 2. I know the dub trailer is the same as the Japanese version, but is there a chance we'll see all the content in the trailer in Episode 3 and when Daima hits the big screen next month. I'm not sure they'll be able to cover all of that so I'm thinking some of the content won't be seen in episode 3. Still, some people think that the first three episodes was meant to be one big super episode, so I don't know.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I have a prediction that Toyotaro will make a "Demon Realm arc" in the Super manga that tries to reconcile both series together somehow, basically retell the story of Daima with some occasional cutaways to whatever Beerus and Whis were up to at the time, but that will probably be the extent of it.

I mean, really, you'd have to think that Neko Majin is the perfect little gift sitting at the centre of the "Daima/Late Super-End of DB/Utilisable Toriyama Legacy Works" Venn Diagram, wouldn't you?

Pretty much the definition of Low Hanging Fruit, right there.

Neko Majin would be sick.

[TechExpert2021]

So if the Japanese voice actors, except Masako Nozawa for Mini Goku, got recast for the miniaturized characters in the Japanese version, would the same apply to the Funimation DB voice actors (outside Stephanie Nadolny for Mini Goku) getting recast for the miniaturized characters in the Funimation/Crunchyroll English dub?

[nineko]

Why can't they just... use Shin's teleport to go straight to Gomah?
Shin can teleport anywhere, without any need to sense Ki.

Do people actually follow the dialogue?

[AliTheZombie13]

Why can't they just... use Shin's teleport to go straight to Gomah?
Shin can teleport anywhere, without any need to sense Ki.

Do people actually follow the dialogue?

Missed that.

[Vegard Aune]

Cause he knows he has to ride the password fish to be able to enter/leave the Demon Realm. It kinda comes down to the old "why didn't the fellowship ride the eagles to Mordor?" thing. Because that wouldn't make for a very good story.

Mostly because it would have tipped off the enemy to where they are going and all that, meaning battles with Nazgul on wings on a near constant basis, and by the time they get to Mordor, Sauron would have been prepared. The point in the books was secrecy. At least that's the surface level reason for the fellowship.

The biggest problem with the eagles thing is that the movies don't even address it as a possibility. In the books they explain why it won't work. In the movies they literally never acknowledge the dang birds at all outside of the specific scenes they show up to save people, making it a very obvious question to ask for any movie-only viewers. Now, I adore those movies, but the lack of any explanation at all for what the eagles' deal is, is a pretty significant flaw considering that they come in to save the heroes on multiple occasions, including at the climax of the final movie.

...But to keep this from being entirely off-topic, Daima does not share this flaw. Kaioshin tells us that teleporting into the Demon Realm is not possible. And he is definitely someone who could be considered an authority on that. Why is it impossible? I dunno, some sort of magic barrier maybe, honestly I don't think the specific details matter that much. They brought it up as a possibility, and then said "Sorry that is actually not a workable option, moving on."

Granted, that only works so far for getting to the Demon Realm. The problem might very well re-arise once they actually arrive and still have to search the whole dimension on foot.

[PeteyVX]

I had a feeling bringing up the eagles would evoke some strong opinions, haha. It makes my nerdy little heart happy, honestly. My point about it not making a very good story and how it relates to Daima were for reasons outside the lore (even though we have in-episode confirmation of the teleportation impossibility) and is derived from the words of Tolkien in his letters.

He called the eagles a "dangerous machine" and claims that an unnamed individual who took liberties with the story has faults with "his tendency to anticipate scenes or devices used later, thereby flattening the tale out." I'm guessing there could be a similar sentiment while the creative minds behind Daima were finalizing their storyboards.

All the people in the credits are surely not ignorant of how beloved the Dragon Ball franchise is, and I'm sure they at least made an effort to eliminate potential plot holes. They know people are gonna hold a magnifying glass to all the details. As someone who actively enjoys the art of speculation by connecting the dots between details, I'd like to think that if I was crafting a story intended to be told over 7.5 - 10 hours I would have brainstormed with a team of people how to ensure it takes at least that long to tell.

I'm stoked for episode 3! Let's go!

[Trouser]

Why can't they just... use Shin's teleport to go straight to Gomah?
Shin can teleport anywhere, without any need to sense Ki.

Do people actually follow the dialogue?

Missed that.

It's just Shin... being useless as always.

[Hellspawn28]

Seeing that people can travel through universes with a ship in DBD, I think it's likey that the Yardrats and Tsufruian in Universe 2 probably moved from U7 to U2, or from U2 to U7. It can explain why Jimizu is on Universe 2's team.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Seeing that people can travel through universes with a ship in DBD, I think it's likey that the Yardrats and Tsufruian in Universe 2 probably moved from U7 to U2, or from U2 to U7. It can explain why Jimizu is on Universe 2's team.

Yeah, this episode revealing that many Demons migrated out from the Demon Realm into the various Universes to settle down cemented for me an already existing notion that different mortal races can and have emigrated between the Universes, hence why there are things like the same species being found in 2 different regions.

[Gashaponista]

I do wonder if Goku in Daima will be able to do the teleport.
He hasn't for some reason in Episode 2.

Speaking of... Why can't they just... use Shin's teleport to go straight to Gomah?
Shin can teleport anywhere, without any need to sense Ki.

I think you need to pay more attention to the episodes, lately I read that you ask or question things that were specifically explained in these two episodes. By the time we get to the middle of the series you won't understand anything at all haha.

Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode! It continues to meet my expectations and even surprise me.

[Koitsukai]

Seeing that people can travel through universes with a ship in DBD, I think it's likey that the Yardrats and Tsufruian in Universe 2 probably moved from U7 to U2, or from U2 to U7. It can explain why Jimizu is on Universe 2's team.

Yeah, this episode revealing that many Demons migrated out from the Demon Realm into the various Universes to settle down cemented for me an already existing notion that different mortal races can and have emigrated between the Universes, hence why there are things like the same species being found in 2 different regions.

I have a different take, I don't think you can go from one universe to another, but you can go anywhere from that Daimakai's toll with the giant fish, with the proper codes that is.

So, instead of believing those yadrats were born in U7 and moved to another universe, or viceversa, I guess, since they have pointy ears, they could very well be demons, some chose U7 as their final destination and others chose U2. Also, what I think happened with the namekians.

[Saiya6Cit]

I am glad I have a new series to watch and look forward to. It did not ever happened since Vikings.

This Daima show delivers. I mostly aplreciate the high quality animation and the fwct that they gave Bulma a major role, thus making her more than only a brazilian butt (THANK YOU REALLY I am her biggest fan around here, I am sure). The new spaceships. I appreciste it all.

The music is nothing special. So DBGT is still higher in my DB preference but nothing is better than having hope. This shows feels as if it is going to be great. I like Daima better than DB Heroes. In my opinion the animation is better than DB Kai and Super.

One plot hole so far is Dende. He should be older. By majin buu saga he was already a young adult.

I don't mind about the one, two or three wishes because there was inconsistency on it since prior and Sheng Long is a God, he can do as he pleases.

Unlike Super it has a plot that is actually interesting a d catchy while it still feels like dragon ball and thst something is simply very important. I am hooked. Will continue to watch.


Where is Gohan?!

[AliTheZombie13]

I think you need to pay more attention to the episodes, lately I read that you ask or question things that were specifically explained in these two episodes. By the time we get to the middle of the series you won't understand anything at all haha.

Anyway, I really enjoyed this episode! It continues to meet my expectations and even surprise me.

Other than the Shin teleport thing... Not really.
What else did I miss, then?

[Saiya6Cit]

Oh and I have not read any complain on Vegeta's design but they made him taller than Bulma as in Super ... and Bulma's hair is Super's shade/color, not dbz...

Vegeta+goku fan service moment of vegeta wanting to go in the ship pointing out they are small was funny.

Goten and trunks talking to each other ala rugrats and "look who's talking" was also a great idea. And Dabura's father. This show feels like a promise.

[tonysoprano300]

I’ll also add that the characterization of Goku feels so much closer to what I remember him being like in the original series, its still early but he strikes me as much more likeable

[kemuri07]

I’ll also add that the characterization of Goku feels so much closer to what I remember him being like in the original series, its still early but he strikes me as much more likeable

The fact that he immediately expresses concern for Dende is nice.

Oh yeah..Goku is supposed to be likable and not a complete sociopath.