Producer confirms Daima was made for GT fans

[Saiyan007]

The idea itself is the kind of thing you do for an episode or two anyway, which is why there's rarely (if any) series that do this and run with it for the whole duration like DB entries have.

i said this same thing a while back DC did this years ago for the justice league episode where they turned them into kids and it was funny for that episode and people look back at it fondly

But it works only for that episode and not for a prolonged period of time because the core audience don't want their main characters turning into kids because it takes away from the seriousness of the show and makes people not want to even watch it because they will think it's aimed for little children

The fact Dragonball has turned Goku into a kid twice on 2 different shows they aren't listening to want fans want and are just writing whatever they like

[Vegeta th3 4th]

As someone who believes GT is nowhere near as bad as many claim it to be, it's nice to see the higher ups of the franchise acknowledge it and its fans.

[LightBing]

Although so far I'm positive on Daima.
Reading how the people running this franchise think and of course everything that came out of modern Dragon Ball, it's clear that the future is dark. Only BoG was a bright spot.

There's no desire to create anything new. It's repetition after repetition, literally the Toei movies of old who just recycled what was happening at the time.
Their way of thinking are a bunch of bullet points without much creativity to it.

[SupremeKai25]

Although so far I'm positive on Daima.
Reading how the people running this franchise think and of course everything that came out of modern Dragon Ball, it's clear that the future is dark. Only BoG was a bright spot.

There's no desire to create anything new. It's repetition after repetition, literally the Toei movies of old who just recycled what was happening at the time.
Their way of thinking are a bunch of bullet points without much creativity to it.

The writers have the desire to create something new.

For instance, when Zamasu returned and annihilated everything Trunks held dear and swore to protect, thus subverting the usual DBZ trope of the big bad guy easily going down to the big energy attack and everyone conveniently coming back to life with the Dragon Balls.

But when the fandom universally hates these new concepts because they don't get their happy Disney ending where the protagonists live happily ever after, well, what are the writers supposed to take away from this?

[LightBing]

Although so far I'm positive on Daima.
Reading how the people running this franchise think and of course everything that came out of modern Dragon Ball, it's clear that the future is dark. Only BoG was a bright spot.

There's no desire to create anything new. It's repetition after repetition, literally the Toei movies of old who just recycled what was happening at the time.
Their way of thinking are a bunch of bullet points without much creativity to it.

The writers have the desire to create something new.

For instance, when Zamasu returned and annihilated everything Trunks held dear and swore to protect, thus subverting the usual DBZ trope of the big bad guy easily going down to the big energy attack and everyone conveniently coming back to life with the Dragon Balls.

But when the fandom universally hates these new concepts because they don't get their happy Disney ending where the protagonists live happily ever after, well, what are the writers supposed to take away from this?

Did people really hate it?

The ending is still without consequence since the main characters had nothing happen to them; not even the imported ones like Future Trunks and Future Mai(exception being Future Bulma).
They once again recycled a concept and all consequences were limited to that.

For the story we follow, the timeline we follow, nothing happened. It's the ultimate way of avoiding responsibilities.

The writers unfortunately are screwed when they are forced to write in the lost decade. Characters never grow, new protagonists can't grab the spotlight, can't rock the boat all that much.

I don't blame completely the writers. Dragon Room or whatever it's called are the problem. They even had Toriyama back at their disposal and only feed him rehashes. Of course him just going along is also to blame.

[Cybersai]

After today this thread is hilarious.

[JulieYBM]

After today this thread is hilarious.

What makes this thread hilarious to you?

[fadeddreams5]

GT has fans? lol.

Ever since Super premiered with its terrible animation, I noticed GT being appreciated more than it ever was in the past, but that series single-handedly killed this franchise, outside video games, until Battle of Gods.

[AliTheZombie13]

GT has fans? lol.

Ever since Super premiered with its terrible animation, I noticed GT being appreciated more than it ever was in the past, but that series single-handedly killed this franchise, outside video games, until Battle of Gods.

Geekdom101 made a video clarifying that the franchise was already in stark decline and fans were feeling fatigued with Dragon Ball ever since the Boo Saga, so that's not all true.

[fadeddreams5]

GT has fans? lol.

Ever since Super premiered with its terrible animation, I noticed GT being appreciated more than it ever was in the past, but that series single-handedly killed this franchise, outside video games, until Battle of Gods.

Geekdom101 made a video clarifying that the franchise was already in stark decline and fans were feeling fatigued with Dragon Ball ever since the Boo Saga, so that's not all true.

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

[AliTheZombie13]

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

Lucky me, I'm not American, and I watched the original DB first.
So I didn't have to suffer the consequences of starting off on the wrong series and thinking that's what it was all about from the beginning, or having an awful Rap Song replace the beautiful melody of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku and Hitori Janai, having the series' tone hijacked by a terrible soundtrack and voice performances, or having the first 16 episodes cut entirely because the higher-ups don't have the slightest clue about character development or narrative progression.

[fadeddreams5]

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

Lucky me, I'm not American, and I watched the original DB first.
So I didn't have to suffer the consequences of starting off on the wrong series and thinking that's what it was all about from the beginning, or having an awful Rap Song replace the beautiful melody of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku and Hitori Janai, having the series' tone hijacked by a terrible soundtrack and voice performances, or having the first 16 episodes cut entirely because the higher-ups don't have the slightest clue about character development or narrative progression.

Seriously, that dub was a travesty. Admittedly, I have never watched the original version, which is something that has been on my to-do list, especially after watching Daima.

[TechExpert2021]

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

Lucky me, I'm not American, and I watched the original DB first.
So I didn't have to suffer the consequences of starting off on the wrong series and thinking that's what it was all about from the beginning, or having an awful Rap Song replace the beautiful melody of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku and Hitori Janai, having the series' tone hijacked by a terrible soundtrack and voice performances, or having the first 16 episodes cut entirely because the higher-ups don't have the slightest clue about character development or narrative progression.

FUNimation was a completely different company in the 1990s and 2000s when it came to their handling of Dragon Ball in English-speaking countries. Their treatment of the Dragon Ball anime franchise in the 1990s and 2000s is no different from the treatment of anime from the likes of 4Kids, DiC, and Saban (Americanizing anime and appealing to American kids and capitalizing on what's "cool" and "edgy" to American kids back in the day).

And yes, I agree, FUNimation's GT dub is awful. However...

There's the Blue Water dub of GT, which only aired in Canada (on YTV), the UK (on CNX and then Toonami UK), Ireland (on the same channels as the UK), and the Netherlands (on Toonami on Yorkiddin, subbed in Dutch). Despite the somewhat iffy performances and some questionable dialogue rewrites, it's a better and more accurate dub than FUNimation's dub.

[Cybersai]

GT has fans? lol.

Ever since Super premiered with its terrible animation, I noticed GT being appreciated more than it ever was in the past, but that series single-handedly killed this franchise, outside video games, until Battle of Gods.

Geekdom101 made a video clarifying that the franchise was already in stark decline and fans were feeling fatigued with Dragon Ball ever since the Boo Saga, so that's not all true.

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

I never understood why people lost interest in the Buu arc. At the time it was the perfect conclusion to DBZ and the franchise as a whole. I know some are disappointed Gohan didn't get to be the main hero by the end, but it was the first time we ever saw Goku/Vegeta working together side by side in canon and the Spirit Bomb was an emotional sendoff to the entire franchise at the time. Majin Buu and all his forms was also a fantastic final villain, and all the characters reached their natural endgame in terms of development.

In retrospect it's easy to see why Toriyama stopped the manga here besides getting burnt out, it seems every series post-Buu has the same type of problems. DBZ ended there plain and simple for a reason, as power levels were already starting to get out of control but felt like a natural stopping point.

[fadeddreams5]

Geekdom101 made a video clarifying that the franchise was already in stark decline and fans were feeling fatigued with Dragon Ball ever since the Boo Saga, so that's not all true.

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

I never understood why people lost interest in the Buu arc. At the time it was the perfect conclusion to DBZ and the franchise as a whole. I know some are disappointed Gohan didn't get to be the main hero by the end, but it was the first time we ever saw Goku/Vegeta working together side by side in canon and the Spirit Bomb was an emotional sendoff to the entire franchise at the time. Majin Buu and all his forms was also a fantastic final villain, and all the characters reached their natural endgame in terms of development.

In retrospect it's easy to see why Toriyama stopped the manga here besides getting burnt out, it seems every series post-Buu has the same type of problems. DBZ ended there plain and simple for a reason, as power levels were already starting to get out of control but felt like a natural stopping point.

Well, I think most people actually loved the Kid Buu parts of the saga. I see nothing but positive reception for them, as well as the Majin Vegeta moments.

The hated parts are Saiyaman, kid SSJs, Gohan not training, and Majin Buu's initial design and personality after we had Frieza and Cell. That turned a lot of fans off, which is funny because it seems modern DB tries to emulate those parts more than the ones from DB and DBZ that made this franchise so popular in the first place.

[Jord]

Geekdom101 made a video clarifying that the franchise was already in stark decline and fans were feeling fatigued with Dragon Ball ever since the Boo Saga, so that's not all true.

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

I never understood why people lost interest in the Buu arc. At the time it was the perfect conclusion to DBZ and the franchise as a whole. I know some are disappointed Gohan didn't get to be the main hero by the end, but it was the first time we ever saw Goku/Vegeta working together side by side in canon and the Spirit Bomb was an emotional sendoff to the entire franchise at the time. Majin Buu and all his forms was also a fantastic final villain, and all the characters reached their natural endgame in terms of development.

I can see how people lost interest since the Buu saga had a pattern of debuting a new form or fighter, only for Buu to survive by sometimes magical means, only to challenge the next fighter, who was stronger and also lose. And sure, we've seen fighters fall before Cell and Frieza and even Nappa and Vegeta, but those losses mostly felt like a power difference instead of a cop out. With Buu we've seen him suddenly regenerate by having miniature Buu's assemble and shouting so hard he caused a dimensional rift. Stuff that came out of nowhere. It felt like the viewer was getting cheated.

We got Majin Vegeta sacrificing himself, the future generation (Goten and Trunks) fusing to create a new super strong warrior called Gotenks, Gohan finally becoming the strongest he has always been after a long period of buildup and even Goku and Vegeta fusing together to become the strongest warrior in history. They all failed in beating Buu. It got tiresome.
By itself, all those ideas were great, but failing in succession made them less than they could have been. Any of those ideas would have been a great ending. Instead, we get stuff like Gohan's power being brought out for many episodes, him beating Buu for 10 minutes, only for Gohan to be basically put out of commission in the next episode.

[AliTheZombie13]

Minority screaming to majority again, but I actually liked the Saiyaman parts.
Loved seeing Gohan have a normal life with a secret hero persona while the girl police tries to unmask him and develops feelings for him.
Reminds me of Sailor Moon/Spider-Man.

[Cybersai]

When I was a kid, I remember most people I knew got pretty turned off of the franchise by the Buu arc. Like, they were still fans, but it wasn't as popular as all the other ones. They straight up never watched GT though. It simply wasn't good. The dub is hands down the worst thing I have ever watched come out from this franchise.

I never understood why people lost interest in the Buu arc. At the time it was the perfect conclusion to DBZ and the franchise as a whole. I know some are disappointed Gohan didn't get to be the main hero by the end, but it was the first time we ever saw Goku/Vegeta working together side by side in canon and the Spirit Bomb was an emotional sendoff to the entire franchise at the time. Majin Buu and all his forms was also a fantastic final villain, and all the characters reached their natural endgame in terms of development.

I can see how people lost interest since the Buu saga had a pattern of debuting a new form or fighter, only for Buu to survive by sometimes magical means, only to challenge the next fighter, who was stronger and also lose. And sure, we've seen fighters fall before Cell and Frieza and even Nappa and Vegeta, but those losses mostly felt like a power difference instead of a cop out. With Buu we've seen him suddenly regenerate by having miniature Buu's assemble and shouting so hard he caused a dimensional rift. Stuff that came out of nowhere. It felt like the viewer was getting cheated.

We got Majin Vegeta sacrificing himself, the future generation (Goten and Trunks) fusing to create a new super strong warrior called Gotenks, Gohan finally becoming the strongest he has always been after a long period of buildup and even Goku and Vegeta fusing together to become the strongest warrior in history. They all failed in beating Buu. It got tiresome.
By itself, all those ideas were great, but failing in succession made them less than they could have been. Any of those ideas would have been a great ending. Instead, we get stuff like Gohan's power being brought out for many episodes, him beating Buu for 10 minutes, only for Gohan to be basically put out of commission in the next episode.

I can see that, but that's actually what made it so exciting. Every new thing the heroes tried to do...failed. It really raised the stakes because it was the very first time all these new forms, fusions, etc. kept failing one after another. It was the first time the entire human race went extinct, and the first time Earth was blown up and Goku and everyone failed and protecting the planet.

It just felt like the stakes continually got raised and at that point in time, Kid Buu was considered the strongest being in the universe and could travel to the afterlife, so there was the belief he would eradicate all of existance at the time (obviously Beerus didn't exist back then in 1995), so it felt like the ultimate threat. It also has excellent moments with Mr. Satan once again helping to save the universe, and everything else I mention before.

If anything, peoples problems with GT, Super or Daima should make everyone appreciate the Buu saga more in retrospect.

[Jord]

I can see your point as well. To some people it makes it more exciting, other people check out.
I think it also matters how you watched the show. If you've watched it in Japan, with a weekly release and have been watching since Dragon Ball, perhaps you've gotten more emotional attachment or perhaps grown out of it. Ratings in Japan suggest a drop off in this period.

On DVD it's a lot more manageable, being able to fast forward or skip episodes.

[Shintoki]

THANK U, DAIMA, for canonizing SS4 even as its variant thing in the super adjacent timeline that is daima, very cool.

1000 point for daima, it now jumped to my third favorite series after OG DB, and Z:D fourth being super and fifth being GT