Non-thread-worthy discussions

[Peach]

Can Imperfect Cell regenerate based on a single cell or as long as his nucleus is preserved? Or is his regeneration limited compared to the other forms of Cell?

[Majin Buu]

Can Imperfect Cell regenerate based on a single cell or as long as his nucleus is preserved? Or is his regeneration limited compared to the other forms of Cell?

The way Cell's regeneration works doesn't change between forms. He can regenerate as long as his core remains, Namekian-style.

The Funimation dub changed how his regeneration works when they changed Super Perfect Cell's dialogue to have him state that he can come back as long as a single cell remains- effectively giving Super Perfect Cell Majin Buu-style "he can come back from just the slightest remaining element of him" nigh-immortal regeneration. So that's yet another Funimation dub thing (that I hate).

[super michael]

I found out in the English dub of DBS Broly movie Goku forgot to bring the senzu beans, while in the Japanese version Goku just simply didn't bring it, it has nothing to do with forgetting it.

Someone that knows Japanese, can someone confirm that Goku didn't bring the senzu beans instead of forgetting to bring it?

[The Dark Knight]

I found out in the English dub of DBS Broly movie Goku forgot to bring the senzu beans, while in the Japanese version Goku just simply didn't bring it, it has nothing to do with forgetting it.

The same thing happened in Battle of Gods. In Japanese, Beerus asks Whis if Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta. In English, he asks if Freeza destroyed it FOR HIM. Two additional words that completely changed the context of the scene, basically changing the story in the process. I don't know if this happens in other anime dubs, but Funimation seems to think they own Dragon Ball and can just change whatever they like.

[TheRed259]

The official artwork for the upcoming Dragon Ball POP-UP TOUR USA 2026.

[The Dark Knight]

The official artwork for the upcoming Dragon Ball POP-UP TOUR USA 2026.

Spoiler:

Whoever approved this art, and whoever drew it, what were they smoking and where can I get it ?

[TheRed259]

The official artwork for the upcoming Dragon Ball POP-UP TOUR USA 2026.

Spoiler:

Whoever approved this art, and whoever drew it, what were they smoking and where can I get it ?

There is a suspicion that this is AI.

[The Dark Knight]

There is a suspicion that this is AI.

This looks exactly like something Yamamoro would put out, and something everyone around him would give the thumbs up due to his seniority on the franchise. This franchise is in desperate need of new blood to breath new life into it. I'll go as far as to say (and I know this won't be popular) that Toriyama himself shouldn't have come back. The Buu arc was a great send off to his tenure on the story, but the vast majority of what he's done since has done nothing but hurt his reputation as a writer and designer.

[SupremeKai25]

There is a suspicion that this is AI.

This looks exactly like something Yamamoro would put out, and something everyone around him would give the thumbs up due to his seniority on the franchise. This franchise is in desperate need of new blood to breath new life into it. I'll go as far as to say (and I know this won't be popular) that Toriyama himself shouldn't have come back. The Buu arc was a great send off to his tenure on the story, but the vast majority of what he's done since has done nothing but hurt his reputation as a writer and designer.

Reminder (is this non-thread worthy?) that your opinion and perception isn't a fact.

Just because you dislike Super doesn't mean most people do. Super is still a hugely popular and successful product loved by tens of millions of fans.

Toriyama didn't "hurt" anything.

[The Dark Knight]

Reminder that your opinion and perception isn't a fact.

Just becaue you dislike Super doesn't mean most people do.

Toriyama didn't "hurt" anything.

Of course my opinion isn't fact, I never claimed it to be.

I don't dislike Super, far from it. I think there were a lot of good ideas there, but a lot of it wasn't executed as good as it could've been. This is why I'm looking forward to this rumored Super remake, because I think it can go a long way in improving these stories.

Between keeping the stories in the 10 year time gap after the fight with Buu and only providing the most vague of outlines, I think even the most die-hard fans of Super can admit that Super could've been so much more than what it actually was. He may not have hurt Super financially, but he did hurt his own reputation as a writer, and severely limited what Super could've been had it been handled by a new writer or team of writers.

[SupremeKai25]

Reminder that your opinion and perception isn't a fact.

Just becaue you dislike Super doesn't mean most people do.

Toriyama didn't "hurt" anything.

Of course my opinion isn't fact, I never claimed it to be.

I don't dislike Super, far from it. I think there were a lot of good ideas there, but a lot of it wasn't executed as good as it could've been. This is why I'm looking forward to this rumored Super remake, because I think it can go a long way in improving these stories.

Between keeping the stories in the 10 year time gap after the fight with Buu and only providing the most vague of outlines, I think even the most die-hard fans of Super can admit that Super could've been so much more than what it actually was. He may not have hurt Super financially, but he did hurt his own reputation as a writer, and severely limited what Super could've been had it been handled by a new writer or team of writers.

That's not the point. You can dislike Super all you want, but to say that Toriyama "hurt his reputation" is a baseless claim that is not grounded in reality.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I found out in the English dub of DBS Broly movie Goku forgot to bring the senzu beans, while in the Japanese version Goku just simply didn't bring it, it has nothing to do with forgetting it.

The same thing happened in Battle of Gods. In Japanese, Beerus asks Whis if Freeza destroyed planet Vegeta. In English, he asks if Freeza destroyed it FOR HIM. Two additional words that completely changed the context of the scene, basically changing the story in the process. I don't know if this happens in other anime dubs, but Funimation seems to think they own Dragon Ball and can just change whatever they like.

Chris Sabat said in his interview with Geekdom that Beerus ordering Freeza to destroy planet Vegeta was in the translations they received, so this line was an error on TOEI's part, not Funimation. Besides when Super came around it was stated in both the Japanese version and the dub that Beerus told Freeza to destroy the planet, so it's not like Bardock being a brilliant scientist or something else, which is a dub-exclusive dialogue change.

[super michael]

Reminder that your opinion and perception isn't a fact.

Just becaue you dislike Super doesn't mean most people do.

Toriyama didn't "hurt" anything.

Of course my opinion isn't fact, I never claimed it to be.

I don't dislike Super, far from it. I think there were a lot of good ideas there, but a lot of it wasn't executed as good as it could've been. This is why I'm looking forward to this rumored Super remake, because I think it can go a long way in improving these stories.

Between keeping the stories in the 10 year time gap after the fight with Buu and only providing the most vague of outlines, I think even the most die-hard fans of Super can admit that Super could've been so much more than what it actually was. He may not have hurt Super financially, but he did hurt his own reputation as a writer, and severely limited what Super could've been had it been handled by a new writer or team of writers.

Toriyama being involved with Dragon Ball Super was that the issue or was it Toei that messed up with their writing? Toriyama wasn't involved with Digimon Adventure Reboot and Toei messed up big time with that anime. Toei thought it would be easy money, so they relied on nostalgia to do most of the work, while they put very little effort into their writing.

Digimon Ghost Games and Digimon Beatbreak doesn't rely on nostalgia, therefore they are putting in more effort into those anime.

[The Dark Knight]

To say that Toriyama "hurt his reputation" is a baseless claim that is not grounded in reality.

Any writer's reputation would be hurt if they put out something like Minus or Resurrection F; it makes it worse that they came out back to back.

Toriyama being involved with Dragon Ball Super was that the issue or was it Toei that messed up with their writing?

There's plenty of blame to go around, but Toriyama giving them vague outlines didn't do anyone any favors. Toriyama should have either fully committed to Super (like what he did with Daima) or stepped aside for someone else.

[Grimlock]

Any writer's reputation would be hurt if they put out something like Minus or Resurrection F; it makes it worse that they came out back to back.

It doesn't help that he had the most random ideas, accepted the most questionable suggestions to work with and allowed some weird intervention: Freeza came back because listened to a song (nothing wrong with that, but seeing as how the movie turned out to be...); accepted to make a(nother) Broly movie out of a suggestion; and apparently Broly's bulky form as well as Gohan's role in the last movie weren't in his script. No writer comes out of that unscathed.

[super michael]

There's plenty of blame to go around, but Toriyama giving them vague outlines didn't do anyone any favors. Toriyama should have either fully committed to Super (like what he did with Daima) or stepped aside for someone else.

I suppose Toriyama is at fault for accepting Toei terrible writing, Toriyama had the power to do something but he did nothing. That is how we got bad writing and bad power scale that doesn't make any sense at all.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Toriyama was pissed off by Evolution, can we blame him for not wanting anyone other than TOEI (who he probably trusted) to be touching his property?

Yes he could have not came back at all but he probably thought movies like Evolution would be inevitable if he did that, and at least if Dragon Ball returned to having animated theatrical features new movies would still be well liked (which they have been for the most part).

[Koitsukai]

Every author is at risk of hurting their reputation, but I don't think Tori got even close to that, even if he was going out of his way to retcon his own, almost-perfect original material.

RoF sucks but it sucks in DB's context. I believe it's not clear how much input he had, and in a vaccum it is not so bad. The movie was also a victim of its time (a horrible time for animation productions, with greasy and shiny characters). You give that movie (a lousy one, of course) the animation of Daima, Broly, or even SH, and it immediately becomes a decent flick.
Bringing Freeza back wasn't such a bad idea at all, either, it just needed more development.
We've also seen how two different parties can come up with good and bad products stemming from the same Tori outlines, so who knows if the most annoying parts of RoF weren't Toei's fault?

Minus, yeah, there's no defending the clarkkentification of Goku, but it is still not enough to hurt his reputation. I wouldn't say he leaves unscathered from it, maybe tarnish is a better word?
I mean, I don't think any less of him as an author even though he has those trainwrecks under his belt, after all, there's plenty of good material after 2015 he was responsible of.

[JulieYBM]

Resurrection F is an awful film in general, not just as a Dragon Ball film. There's hardly anything going on in the film and it just ends.

The series would be way better if Gokuu had a little Clark Kent in him lol

[super michael]

I never understood why in ROF Toriyama added the line for Freeza, that he predicted to reach 1,300,000 power level in four months. Toriyama gave up on power level so why mention it. Plus on Namek Freeza second form has a power level of over 1,000,000 which is stated in the manga. Freeza 1st form was 530,000 power level, which is stated in the manga.

In DBS Anime of ROF Freeza shoot at Kuririn and Bulma. It is strange Vegeta orders Goten and Trunks to leave, but doesn't order the others to leave who are in the way.