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[super michael]

Trunks wants to get stronger in DBS, he even asked Vegeta to train him, yet Vegeta refused to do so. When Goten isn't available then Trunks can only train with Pilaf.

Maybe Vegeta should focus less on Cabba and focus on his own son that wants to get stronger.

Goten wanted to train with Vegeta, yet he also refused to train him. What exactly makes Cabba so special.

[ZeroNeonix]

I mean, it's not like Vegeta put that much effort into Cabba. Just made him mad so he'd transform. Took about two minutes. lol

[super michael]

I mean, it's not like Vegeta put that much effort into Cabba. Just made him mad so he'd transform. Took about two minutes. lol

Vegeta knew how to teach Cabba how to make him reach SSJ1 and then showed SSB, so he knows what to aim for. In the ToP Vegeta even protect Cabba from getting ring out.

Vegeta sacrificed losing power by using SSB, only to show Cabba what Saiyans are capable of.

[ABED]

I haven't read any of the lore books and don't recall what Toriyama might have said on the subject, but I find the idea of Super Saiyan levels being necessary to reach the next level more interesting than the base having no upper limit and each transformation being a bigger and bigger multiplier.

[Scsigs]

I haven't read any of the lore books and don't recall what Toriyama might have said on the subject, but I find the idea of Super Saiyan levels being necessary to reach the next level more interesting than the base having no upper limit and each transformation being a bigger and bigger multiplier.

The SS grade system is something that Toriyama thought up, then dropped after the Android Arc that was definitely interesting. I think it was an interesting angle to take the SS form, as Freeza & Cell both get bulked up forms that allowed them to have more raw power, but at a cost of physicality with their movements being slowed down substantially. Then, the Super Saiyan 2 form is them accessing their higher limit of power while keeping their more thin physicality so they can move more fluidly & fast with it to fight more efficiently. Gohan having this well of well of power that he hasn't fully tapped into yet as well that allowed him to access the form first while everyone else had to work for it for years to attain it in training. And, looking at it from a modern perspective after the introduction of Super Saiyan God, that transformation in some respects is a modernization of that concept, where the user gets more thin proportions, but a lot of extra power with them.

On the 1 hand, would it have been interesting if Toriyama had kept going with & evolved this concept? Yeah, sure. However, I can see why he dropped it in favor of just numbered forms. Streamlines the Super Saiyan concept & allows for easier storytelling in some respects. Especially because he had the timeskip & the introduction of SS3 into the series. It's pretty easy to assume that Goku & Vegeta learned how to focus their powers to push passed the bulky forms to hit the next level.

[Noah]

Does anyone remember from where is that one interview where Toriyama praises the animation team during the original Dragon Ball Z TV run, saying he was impressed that they managed to animate the fast-paced fights the way he tried to do in the manga? I’ve always thought that was really wholesome of him to do that.

[dbgtFO]

Last 4 Z movie villains in the original run of Dragon Ball are all mostly non verbal mythical beings/abominations.
Their dialogue for those who do speak is restricted to nothing more than saying a name over and in the case of movie 10 Broly having one line said before the beam clash at the end in addition to that.
They really just dropped all pretense after Bojack and just gave the villains almost zero motivation other than wanting to kill and destroy.

[JulieYBM]

Last 4 Z movie villains in the original run of Dragon Ball are all mostly non verbal mythical beings/abominations.
Their dialogue for those who do speak is restricted to nothing more than saying a name over and in the case of movie 10 Broly having one line said before the beam clash at the end in addition to that.
They really just dropped all pretense after Bojack and just gave the villains almost zero motivation other than wanting to kill and destroy.

Koyama Takao—who wrote those movies—mentioned that he kept using Broly because he was struggling to come up with new ideas for antagonists lol. Clearly, he was running out of ideas in general.

I am curious if audience feedback from kids also pushed the films towards making the motivations more simplistic, too, especially after the first Broly movie had the most backstory going on.

[Scsigs]

Here's a question I have. Why do some people trate Videl being Great Saiyaman 2 like it was a Toriyama creation? It wasn't. It was the brainchild of the Z anime writers.

[Kenji]

I assume it has to do with three things:

1) It's been known that Toriyama designed the Filler Characters for the Z anime.
2) She shows up at the tail end of the Z anime sandwiched between the conclusion of the Boo Arc and the final tournament, both of which are canon.
3) Because she's a memorable fun idea, and a sizable portion of the fandom has this notion internalized that Good = Toriyama, Bad = Filler.

[Yellow Flower King]

I have a question for those who still want a live action movie, especially mecha3000: Who do you think can "Quality Check" such a production? I think they should try and get Torishima involved. Or at least some former Toriyama editor, but mostly Torishima.

[BernardoCairo]

I was thinking about whether Cell’s ability to self-destruct came from absorbing 17 and 18. I like how he progressively becomes more human after absorbing them, as if they’re not just power-ups but actual parts of him.

So what was it about 17 and 18 that Cell needed to become perfect in the first place? What was Dr. Gero even thinking when he designed them to fuse with Cell? It feels like those old video games that shipped with expansion ports built in. He made the androids with future upgrades in mind

I like to think Gero knew 17 and 18 could, and probably would, turn on him, and this was his final “fuck you” to them if that ever happened

[MasenkoHA]

I like to think Gero knew 17 and 18 could, and probably would, turn on him, and this was his final “fuck you” to them if that ever happened

Even when I was I was 8, I assumed that was the point. He created a monster that was designed to devour them to become complete as revenge for their disobedience.

[Scsigs]

I assume it has to do with three things:

1) It's been known that Toriyama designed the Filler Characters for the Z anime.
2) She shows up at the tail end of the Z anime sandwiched between the conclusion of the Boo Arc and the final tournament, both of which are canon.
3) Because she's a memorable fun idea, and a sizable portion of the fandom has this notion internalized that Good = Toriyama, Bad = Filler.

Like, the problem I have is that some people apparently don't know she's a creation of the anime staff, so they expect her to show up in Super stuff. Like, I remember a video Geekdom101 made with MasakoX a decade or so ago & Masako was wondering where Saiyawoman was & Geekdom said that she was home taking care of Pan & I was like, "That's from DBZ filler, why would she be in Super?" It's just dumb. Like, yes Videl is a likable character & I like the idea of her being Saiyawoman, but come on.

[Kenji]

I mean, Super already brought Broly, Gogeta, and several other elements from Filler, so...

[Scsigs]

I mean, Super already brought Broly, Gogeta, and several other elements from Filler, so...

Well, Broly was rebooted into the main timeline from a movie & Gogeta was always possible, just never shown until the Super: Broly movie because Toriyama chose to do a different form of fusion after Fusion Reborn beat him to the punch on Gogeta. In regards to stuff from filler, that's mainly in Toei's anime like the Ginyu frog being on Earth randomly & Yamcha's baseball stuff, which is more or less just a reference to an idea that Toriyama actually liked from Z's filler. Not that Super ever used Saiyaman 2, though.

[TheRed259]

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[The Dark Knight]

I have a question for those who still want a live action movie, especially mecha3000: Who do you think can "Quality Check" such a production? I think they should try and get Torishima involved. Or at least some former Toriyama editor, but mostly Torishima.

I'm someone who believes DB in live action is possible, but in the form of a series rather than movie, so I'll jump in. What I'd do is team up one of Toriyama's old editors (Torishima, Kondo, or Takeda) with one of the producers on DB & Z (Koyama & Morishita). That way, we get an adaption that takes the best of both worlds (anime & manga), rather than focus on one exclusively. For the love of god keep anyone involved with modern DB away from such a project, please.

[ABED]

I like nice animation, but that takes time. I'm more than fine with the tradeoff of animation quality and episode count. Since they are redoing Super, I'm okay with the slimmer episode count but I hope that's not what will go on with the Moro and Granola arcs.

[JulieYBM]

The Moro arc will probably be a Daima-esque production, in terms of animation quality. With luck, it will be allowed to be looser and more experimental, ala One Piece for the past 150-ish episodes. A strong production is always best for everyone involved, and with all the weird shit the Toei staff and freelancers get subjected to on Dragon Ball, it'll be nice to see everyone cut loose.