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by Kid Buu » Sun Jul 12, 2026 5:42 pm
DanielSSJ wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 5:33 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 3:55 pm
Your posts made me realise, had Gohan beaten Buu, the arc would have been a similar formula to Daimao:
Demon is released -> beats hero -> demon gets stronger -> hero gets stronger -> rematch
As someone who's wondered what the Boo arc would've looked like had Gohan stayed in the leading role, I have had thev same exact thought.
I guess you'd either have to power down Gotenks-Buu, or power up Piccolo-Buu, to be close to Gohan in power and Gohan can beat him in a close fight. Probably everyone gets resurrected except Goku, Vegeta and maybe Fat Buu.
(I'm not a big fan of Mystic Gohan concept so I'm glad Toriyama didn't go that route personally).
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by DanielSSJ » Sun Jul 12, 2026 9:26 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Sun Jul 12, 2026 5:42 pm
I guess you'd either have to power down Gotenks-Buu, or power up Piccolo-Buu, to be close to Gohan in power and Gohan can beat him in a close fight. Probably everyone gets resurrected except Goku, Vegeta and maybe Fat Buu.
(I'm not a big fan of Mystic Gohan concept so I'm glad Toriyama didn't go that route personally).
Yeah, I'm not crazy about the end result of Gohan's character arc of him not training for seven years biting him in the ass being a magic freebie power-up. Ultimate Gohan would have to either be retooled or replaced with something else.
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by Kid Buu » Mon Jul 13, 2026 2:19 pm
Agreed. Plus I love the plot twist that Gohan was given so much buildup, only to lose. As a kid I was hooked because it really made me feel that Buu might actually be invincibile and the heroes were screwed.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:46 pm
I think had Super Buu turn back into Grey Buu, there would be big debate on who is the strongest buu. Kid Buu itself makes no sense given that removing Fat Buu should have turn Super Buu back into Grey Buu.
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by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 14, 2026 6:27 am
Hellspawn28 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:46 pm
I think had Super Buu turn back into Grey Buu, there would be big debate on who is the strongest buu. Kid Buu itself makes no sense given that removing Fat Buu should have turn Super Buu back into Grey Buu.
I get where you're coming from, but I really like the idea that the final villain is a kid. Dragon Ball always had overpowered kid protagonists, so I liked that for the final battle, Toriyama reversed the tables.
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by DanielSSJ » Tue Jul 14, 2026 12:42 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2026 8:46 pm
I think had Super Buu turn back into Grey Buu, there would be big debate on who is the strongest buu. Kid Buu itself makes no sense given that removing Fat Buu should have turn Super Buu back into Grey Buu.
I dunno if skinny Boo could've carried the final confrontation on his own. The logic is a little wobbly, but I can sorta buy that after having Fat Boo inside him for a while, he kinda re-acquired his "essence" and became more of a complete being and not just a husk.
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by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 14, 2026 12:47 pm
The way I see it is Evil Buu is a manifestation of Fat Buu;s anger and still has some Kaioshin influence, while Pure Buu is just Buu's regular form with no external influence.
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by Koitsukai » Tue Jul 14, 2026 2:09 pm
I really enjoyed a take I read a long time ago about how Buu's appearance depends on his perception of himself.
Like, when he splits, he becomes a skinny guy, like he has lost a part of himself, a huge part of him. He is lacking something, yet he still retains a shitload of power. And when rearranging himself, he is not fat nor skinny; he is ripped, he is strong-looking. He looks like what he wanted to be when absorbing the Kaioshin.
When he reverts back to his original self, he is a child. He is freed somehow, and the absorptions no longer cloud his self-perception.
I don't fully support this take. It's not airtight, and I don't even think I remember it correctly, but I always liked the fact that Buu might mold himself according to how he "feels".
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by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 14, 2026 7:04 pm
I do think it's interesting that Evil Buu is the only version not to be pink. Really adds to that "off shoot" feeling.
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by DanielSSJ » Tue Jul 14, 2026 11:37 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 7:04 pm
I do think it's interesting that Evil Buu is the only version not to be pink. Really adds to that "off shoot" feeling.
No idea who chose these colors, but I did find official art that depicts skinny Boo pink like the other forms, one of them being from Daizenshuu 4:
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by Kid Buu » Wed Jul 15, 2026 4:05 am
DanielSSJ wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 11:37 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2026 7:04 pm
I do think it's interesting that Evil Buu is the only version not to be pink. Really adds to that "off shoot" feeling.
No idea who chose these colors, but I did find official art that depicts skinny Boo pink like the other forms, one of them being from Daizenshuu 4:
Can't see those images as imgur is blocked in the UK.
That said I could totally see Toriyama intended Evil to be pink and Toei just doing their own thing, like with Bulma's hair.
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by DanielSSJ » Wed Jul 15, 2026 11:46 am
Oh that's lame, sorry
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by PhantomSaiyan » Wed Jul 15, 2026 11:49 am
Pink Evil Buu is so cursed man
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by Kid Buu » Wed Jul 15, 2026 12:23 pm
DanielSSJ wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 11:46 am
Oh that's lame, sorry
https://imgbb.com/ is free and works for UK users if you got some free time you can upload there.
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by DanielSSJ » Wed Jul 15, 2026 2:24 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 12:23 pm
https://imgbb.com/ is free and works for UK users if you got some free time you can upload there.
Try these:
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by Kid Buu » Thu Jul 16, 2026 4:55 am
DanielSSJ wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 2:24 pm
Kid Buu wrote: Wed Jul 15, 2026 12:23 pm
https://imgbb.com/ is free and works for UK users if you got some free time you can upload there.
Try these:
Yeah that works, thanks!
Evil Buu in pink just looks wrong lol. Maybe I'm too used to the grey version.
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