Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[SupremeKai25]

So you reckon Infinite Zamasu would get crushed by any serious fighter in the ToP?

No, he wouldn't, because he's immortal. Jiren wouldn't be able to kill him, however he'd have higher firepower than Zamasu. As per usual in Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball, New Antagonist > Previous Saga.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Actually, I think DBS has sorta dabbled a bit in the idea of not every ending antagonist being stronger than the last.

Hit wasn't as strong in raw power as Golden Freeza and got by via his powerful abilities, and Cell Max was evidently wasn't stronger than Broly in his incomplete state despite Broly also being a berserker.

And notably, Jiren and Broly remain relevant candidates of mention as of DBS:SH alongside Cell Max and the rest of the Gods of Destruction. To me, this speaks of more relative parity in the overall strength and threat level of these latest opponents instead of each subsequent one being leagues stronger than the last.

[Miracles]

That's just because he can defuse them, not because he's stronger

You need to damage the individual for Spirit Fission to work.

Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking Moro, but he was hitting him. So being able to hit your opponent is the requirement.

Obviously Vegeta was doing damage, otherwise Moro wouldn't have lost energy in the first place. We see Vegeta do it to planet Moro too. Then we see Moro ask Vegeta that his technique [Spirit Fission] requires damage and then he said he won't make the same mistake. So instead of taking Vegeta's punches he dodged them even when he was fused with 7-3.

[QuakingStar]

You need to damage the individual for Spirit Fission to work.

Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking Moro, but he was hitting him. So being able to hit your opponent is the requirement.

Obviously Vegeta was doing damage, otherwise Moro wouldn't have lost energy in the first place. We see Vegeta do it to planet Moro too. Then we see Moro ask Vegeta that his technique [Spirit Fission] requires damage and then he said he won't make the same mistake. So instead of taking Vegeta's punches he dodged them even when he was fused with 7-3.

He simply needed to land a hit, and 1hp damage is still damage. Vegeta was much weaker than Moro.

[Miracles]

Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking Moro, but he was hitting him. So being able to hit your opponent is the requirement.

Obviously Vegeta was doing damage, otherwise Moro wouldn't have lost energy in the first place. We see Vegeta do it to planet Moro too. Then we see Moro ask Vegeta that his technique [Spirit Fission] requires damage and then he said he won't make the same mistake. So instead of taking Vegeta's punches he dodged them even when he was fused with 7-3.

He simply needed to land a hit, and 1hp damage is still damage. Vegeta was much weaker than Moro.

That is correct. Meaning all Vegeta's punches were causing damage regardless of how minimal.
Remember the very first punch Vegeta landed Gohan said "that barely had any effect."

However, with Gogeta/Vegetto Moro using Spirit Fission with his merge with 7-3 rendered the fusion of the Saiyan's "useless."
Meaning it was overkill. Moro 7-3 would cause tons of damage. Moro already needed fusion to fight him before he absorbed 7-3.