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[Jord]

James Marsters was a disgusting choice to cast considering his history (and I don't refer to the live-action movie) and should be recast.

What did he do? Also is he the only person to play a DB and a Superman villain?

The guy is a major creep.
He wrote a song called ''Dangerous'' about a 16 year old Michelle Trachtenberg when he was 37, with lyrics like
One baby, two, maybe three more years
You'll be a full grown baby, havin' all your curves
And here's a little taste of irony
You'll be a town hot lady, too good for me

So little girl you'd better stay set
You play with fire when you get too wet
So set me down and leave me be
You find a devil and you unchain me

That is more than just inappropriate.

[PhantomSaiyan]

The guy is a major creep.
He wrote a song called ''Dangerous'' about a 16 year old Michelle Trachtenberg when he was 37, with lyrics like
One baby, two, maybe three more years
You'll be a full grown baby, havin' all your curves
And here's a little taste of irony
You'll be a town hot lady, too good for me

So little girl you'd better stay set
You play with fire when you get too wet
So set me down and leave me be
You find a devil and you unchain me

That is more than just inappropriate.

Idk how ppl used to feel so comfortable writing lyrics like these lmao older songs are full of them

[Kid Buu]

James Marsters was a disgusting choice to cast considering his history (and I don't refer to the live-action movie) and should be recast.

What did he do? Also is he the only person to play a DB and a Superman villain?

The guy is a major creep.
He wrote a song called ''Dangerous'' about a 16 year old Michelle Trachtenberg when he was 37, with lyrics like
One baby, two, maybe three more years
You'll be a full grown baby, havin' all your curves
And here's a little taste of irony
You'll be a town hot lady, too good for me

So little girl you'd better stay set
You play with fire when you get too wet
So set me down and leave me be
You find a devil and you unchain me

That is more than just inappropriate.

Sadly you do get a lot of this behaviour in the entertainment industry from what I've seen. I was very disappointed in that Toru Furuya scandal a few years ago.

[DanielSSJ]

God what the fuck

[TheRed259]

Well, this was somewhat unexpected since I didn't expect to see something like this in such a small country but it looks like Hiroki Takahashi will be coming to Cyprus Comic Con 2026.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DbvZSupN2Rs

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

[JulieYBM]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

Yeah, social media spaces are a cess pool of fake, manufactured outrage by bots and accounts that intentionally design posts meant to go viral while stirring shit. It's a really good way of essentially keeping the public discourse eternally angry and stupid so that any real person who engages with it becomes angry and stupid and easily controlled.

Even putting aside the fact that Goku has always been voiced by a woman, it really goes to show how little thought people place into thinking about these characters and how well they may-or-may-not fit actual gender tropes. Like, Goku isn't really masculine? The guy doesn't exert an identity of being a 'man' beyond a very rudimentary understanding of 'genitalia equal gender' early on in the story. Which is to say, I just don't think that Goku is really a 'man' and could very easily be written as, say, a trans woman or without a gender at all, if one so desired.

Remember, folks: our society wants you to believe that the worst thing in the world that anyone can be is a transgender woman, which is why you should always bare in mind for anything pertaining to gender.


Son Goku doesn't just say "Trans Rights Are Human Rights," Son Goku is transgender!

[Grimlock]

In case it wasn't clear enough, they outright state that he is a benevolent character! How I wished Dragon Ball Heroes gave him Super Saiyan God, which would just further solidify his place among the good guys!




Kidding. No "benevolent" adjective is to be found in the Japanese version, but still...

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

Yeah, social media spaces are a cess pool of fake, manufactured outrage by bots and accounts that intentionally design posts meant to go viral while stirring shit. It's a really good way of essentially keeping the public discourse eternally angry and stupid so that any real person who engages with it becomes angry and stupid and easily controlled.

Even putting aside the fact that Goku has always been voiced by a woman, it really goes to show how little thought people place into thinking about these characters and how well they may-or-may-not fit actual gender tropes. Like, Goku isn't really masculine? The guy doesn't exert an identity of being a 'man' beyond a very rudimentary understanding of 'genitalia equal gender' early on in the story. Which is to say, I just don't think that Goku is really a 'man' and could very easily be written as, say, a trans woman or without a gender at all, if one so desired.

Remember, folks: our society wants you to believe that the worst thing in the world that anyone can be is a transgender woman, which is why you should always bare in mind for anything pertaining to gender.


Son Goku doesn't just say "Trans Rights Are Human Rights," Son Goku is transgender!

Some of Goku's character traits have been given to female characters in the past. Lina Inverse from Slayers has his insatiable appetite.

[JulieYBM]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

Yeah, social media spaces are a cess pool of fake, manufactured outrage by bots and accounts that intentionally design posts meant to go viral while stirring shit. It's a really good way of essentially keeping the public discourse eternally angry and stupid so that any real person who engages with it becomes angry and stupid and easily controlled.

Even putting aside the fact that Goku has always been voiced by a woman, it really goes to show how little thought people place into thinking about these characters and how well they may-or-may-not fit actual gender tropes. Like, Goku isn't really masculine? The guy doesn't exert an identity of being a 'man' beyond a very rudimentary understanding of 'genitalia equal gender' early on in the story. Which is to say, I just don't think that Goku is really a 'man' and could very easily be written as, say, a trans woman or without a gender at all, if one so desired.

Remember, folks: our society wants you to believe that the worst thing in the world that anyone can be is a transgender woman, which is why you should always bare in mind for anything pertaining to gender.


Son Goku doesn't just say "Trans Rights Are Human Rights," Son Goku is transgender!

Some of Goku's character traits have been given to female characters in the past. Lina Inverse from Slayers has his insatiable appetite.

Really goes to show just how much gender roles are fake and gay!

[Scsigs]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

While I don't disagree, I think the better thing to point out is the fact that Goku doesn't care about what kind of lifestyle you live, as long as you're not a shitty person. He just goes with the flow & makes friends with anyone he gets along with. It's 1 of his more endearing qualities. He wouldn't care about a person being trans. I mean, he's friends with a dwarf, a guy with 3 eyes, aliens, is himself an alien, etc. Hell, half his friends are people who he was once enemies with. He's accepting of everyone as long as they're not an irredeemable asshole.

[ZeroNeonix]

While I don't disagree, I think the better thing to point out is the fact that Goku doesn't care about what kind of lifestyle you live, as long as you're not a shitty person. He just goes with the flow & makes friends with anyone he gets along with. It's 1 of his more endearing qualities. He wouldn't care about a person being trans. I mean, he's friends with a dwarf, a guy with 3 eyes, aliens, is himself an alien, etc. Hell, half his friends are people who he was once enemies with. He's accepting of everyone as long as they're not an irredeemable asshole.

Heck, Goku values people who ARE shitty people. ...Sometimes just because he wants a rematch, but it's what results in a lot of those shitty people becoming allies. Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, Androids 17 and 18, Majiin Buu, Beerus, Hit, and even Frieza (temporarily, at least) all were originally enemies who became friends either because of Goku or someone directly connected to him. Some, like Vegeta, were basically pure evil. Goku's simple, childlike nature is just that disarming, and he has a way of rubbing off on people.

[JulieYBM]

While I don't disagree, I think the better thing to point out is the fact that Goku doesn't care about what kind of lifestyle you live, as long as you're not a shitty person. He just goes with the flow & makes friends with anyone he gets along with. It's 1 of his more endearing qualities. He wouldn't care about a person being trans. I mean, he's friends with a dwarf, a guy with 3 eyes, aliens, is himself an alien, etc. Hell, half his friends are people who he was once enemies with. He's accepting of everyone as long as they're not an irredeemable asshole.

I apologize if this comes across as blunt, but as one of the few openly trans women who post regularly in this community, I want to make something clear to anyone who isn't familiar with trans women and trans people in general: Being trans is not to be associated with being a 'lifestyle'. 'Lifestyle' has a very negative connotation in regards to queerness in general, going as far back as religious organizations and politicians popularizing the phrase 'gay/homosexual lifestyle'. Especially now as media, legislative and transphobic activists seek to frame being trans as both something 'bad' and a 'choice', we need to make it clear that people are not trans as some sort of thing they 'do' because they're bored or some sort of mental illness. Being trans isn't a choice or 'lifestyle' as much as being any other type of human being is.

On the question of how Goku would have been written had Toriyama included overtly trans characters in Dragon Ball: Toriyama has written transphobic depictions of trans women before. I'm under no illusion that Toriyama would not probably have written Goku to do something transphobic for what Toriyama mistakenly would think is a good gag, unless he was told not to by someone with any degree of sensitivity training.

[DanielSSJ]

I apologize if this comes across as blunt, but as one of the few openly trans women who post regularly in this community, I want to make something clear to anyone who isn't familiar with trans women and trans people in general: Being trans is not to be associated with being a 'lifestyle'. 'Lifestyle' has a very negative connotation in regards to queerness in general, going as far back as religious organizations and politicians popularizing the phrase 'gay/homosexual lifestyle'. Especially now as media, legislative and transphobic activists seek to frame being trans as both something 'bad' and a 'choice', we need to make it clear that people are not trans as some sort of thing they 'do' because they're bored or some sort of mental illness. Being trans isn't a choice or 'lifestyle' as much as being any other type of human being is.

On the question of how Goku would have been written had Toriyama included overtly trans characters in Dragon Ball: Toriyama has written transphobic depictions of trans women before. I'm under no illusion that Toriyama would not probably have written Goku to do something transphobic for what Toriyama mistakenly would think is a good gag, unless he was told not to by someone with any degree of sensitivity training.

Either that or another character like Bluma or Kuririn would have a strong reaction to a trans character and then be upset at Goku for not getting what the big deal is, with the "joke" being Goku's too dumb to understand why being trans is weird or off-putting or whatever.

[JulieYBM]

I apologize if this comes across as blunt, but as one of the few openly trans women who post regularly in this community, I want to make something clear to anyone who isn't familiar with trans women and trans people in general: Being trans is not to be associated with being a 'lifestyle'. 'Lifestyle' has a very negative connotation in regards to queerness in general, going as far back as religious organizations and politicians popularizing the phrase 'gay/homosexual lifestyle'. Especially now as media, legislative and transphobic activists seek to frame being trans as both something 'bad' and a 'choice', we need to make it clear that people are not trans as some sort of thing they 'do' because they're bored or some sort of mental illness. Being trans isn't a choice or 'lifestyle' as much as being any other type of human being is.

On the question of how Goku would have been written had Toriyama included overtly trans characters in Dragon Ball: Toriyama has written transphobic depictions of trans women before. I'm under no illusion that Toriyama would not probably have written Goku to do something transphobic for what Toriyama mistakenly would think is a good gag, unless he was told not to by someone with any degree of sensitivity training.

Either that or another character like Bluma or Kuririn would have a strong reaction to a trans character and then be upset at Goku for not getting what the big deal is, with the "joke" being Goku's too dumb to understand why being trans is weird or off-putting or whatever.

Yeah, pretty much. I would expect something between that, the General Blue homophobia, and the "Yuusuke sexually assaults a trans woman" episode from Yuu Yuu Hakusho.

Being a Dragon Ball fan is one big series of rolling with the punches and a trans panic story would have been all the worse.

[Scsigs]

Spoiler:

While I don't disagree, I think the better thing to point out is the fact that Goku doesn't care about what kind of lifestyle you live, as long as you're not a shitty person. He just goes with the flow & makes friends with anyone he gets along with. It's 1 of his more endearing qualities. He wouldn't care about a person being trans. I mean, he's friends with a dwarf, a guy with 3 eyes, aliens, is himself an alien, etc. Hell, half his friends are people who he was once enemies with. He's accepting of everyone as long as they're not an irredeemable asshole.

Heck, Goku values people who ARE shitty people. ...Sometimes just because he wants a rematch, but it's what results in a lot of those shitty people becoming allies. Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, Androids 17 and 18, Majiin Buu, Beerus, Hit, and even Frieza (temporarily, at least) all were originally enemies who became friends either because of Goku or someone directly connected to him. Some, like Vegeta, were basically pure evil. Goku's simple, childlike nature is just that disarming, and he has a way of rubbing off on people.

If we're being honest, though, 17 & 18 didn't become good people because of Goku. They were originally on their own side. The series makes them change why they do what they were gonna do because of 16 & Cell. 16, even though he was programmed to kill Goku, turned into a more righteous person before Cell killed him & that had an effect on 18. Cell, we all know what happened to affect them. 17, I think roaming the Earth for a decade, then becoming a family man changed his outlook on life similar to 18 doing the same, but much earlier. Hit, he's an assassin, not a villain. Granted, Goku DID have an effect on him, but he wasn't a bad guy before they met. Freeza's still a villain. He's just focused on killing Goku, unless I missed something.

I apologize if this comes across as blunt, but as one of the few openly trans women who post regularly in this community, I want to make something clear to anyone who isn't familiar with trans women and trans people in general: Being trans is not to be associated with being a 'lifestyle'. 'Lifestyle' has a very negative connotation in regards to queerness in general, going as far back as religious organizations and politicians popularizing the phrase 'gay/homosexual lifestyle'. Especially now as media, legislative and transphobic activists seek to frame being trans as both something 'bad' and a 'choice', we need to make it clear that people are not trans as some sort of thing they 'do' because they're bored or some sort of mental illness. Being trans isn't a choice or 'lifestyle' as much as being any other type of human being is.

On the question of how Goku would have been written had Toriyama included overtly trans characters in Dragon Ball: Toriyama has written transphobic depictions of trans women before. I'm under no illusion that Toriyama would not probably have written Goku to do something transphobic for what Toriyama mistakenly would think is a good gag, unless he was told not to by someone with any degree of sensitivity training.

"Lifestyle" literally means the way in which you choose to live your life, I don't know what to tell you. You're trans, so that is part of your way of life, even though it's obviously not a choice. And I'm not going to take that away from you.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lifestyle
People life a certain lifestyle no matter of they're trans, cis, gay, straight, etc. I know you're prone to taking shit WAY too seriously & personally (I've seen you in several threads many times do this, so don't deny this), but I didn't mean this in a disparaging way & I think you can tell that. This is just how English works & what the word means. Yes, being trans isn't a choice, that's just how the trans community's brains work, same with being gay, same with being cis, same with being straight. If it were a choice, no one would be trans & just go on living their lives as they were born because who actually WANTS to go through that shit & make life harder on themselves when life is already hard enough without that struggle? It's just not logical. To also say this, I'm sorry for how that came off because I didn't mean it that way. So, please, let's not escalate this & just continue the conversation at hand so the mods don't have to come in here & say something. I respect the trans community & I want them to have all the rights they should be afforded & to live however they want that makes them happy. That's as much as needs to be said here.

The DB manga is very much a product of its time & culture. Hence why there's not a ton of women in the ensemble cast (hell, it literally took the first Bardock special to introduce female Saiyans, then Super to expand upon that & then some, then also Minus to introduce Goku's mom, who people were wondering about for years beforehand), people of color are few & far between outside of the tournaments, & other cultural attitudes that haven't exactly aged well. But, we also need to take into account that trans people weren't in the larger societal conversation of politics & society. They've been around, obviously, but the most many people knew about them before the 2010s was that they...existed & under different terms I won't say here because I think most of us here know them & they're now considered slurs. It's definitely for the best that he didn't do it in DB. The original DB anime already had a really bad depiction of a gay guy with turning General Blue, a clear flamboyant gay man, into a pedophile & a sexual predator in the filler stuff they added to the stuff they adapted from the manga. It's just something, I think, is best left alone. This series isn't One Piece (which has some of its own problems with this topic, but is still better at it than DB would've been).

Either that or another character like Bluma or Kuririn would have a strong reaction to a trans character and then be upset at Goku for not getting what the big deal is, with the "joke" being Goku's too dumb to understand why being trans is weird or off-putting or whatever.

NGL, that's kind of how I'd expect TFS to handle that topic if they were to do an "OG DB Abridged." They've done similar jokes in DBZA.

[DanielSSJ]

NGL, that's kind of how I'd expect TFS to handle that topic if they were to do an "OG DB Abridged." They've done similar jokes in DBZA.

Yeah but if TFS made a joke like that, the joke would be at the expense of the other character for being shitty, not at Goku for being dumb or the trans woman for being trans

[Hellspawn28]

I saw a meme online of Goku saying: "trans rights are human rights" and I pointed out how it's funny that so many people in the comments were offended by a cartoon character saying this in a meme when said character has been voiced by a woman for 40 years, and nobody in Japan bats an eye. After getting called a bunch of abilist slurs I got people unironically telling me that: "Goku was only voiced by a woman as a kid. You haven't watched anything past early Dragon Ball." (With much worse grammar and horrendous spelling errors.) Some people know nothing about the things they claim to enjoy.

Meanwhile those people jump for joy when they use Franklin the Turtle or Mac Tonight for far right bullshit. One guy used AI to have Franklin blow up drug traffickers.

[Scsigs]

NGL, that's kind of how I'd expect TFS to handle that topic if they were to do an "OG DB Abridged." They've done similar jokes in DBZA.

Yeah but if TFS made a joke like that, the joke would be at the expense of the other character for being shitty, not at Goku for being dumb or the trans woman for being trans

Yep. And that's why it'd be funny.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Just noticed that the Bridge Entertainment singles for the Saban dub had Kanaal 2 (the Belgian channel that aired Dragon Ball Z) and their programming block Cake on the covers, so they must have been available in Belgium as well as the Netherlands. I wonder if these DVDs had any promos that may be considered rare now?