How come Gohan and the others didn't learn Super Saiyan God?

[funrush]

I was thinking about Vegeta getting Super Saiyan God, how we never see that on screen. They had to get that combination of people back together to do the ceremony again for Vegeta. So from there I'm wondering, why didn't they repeat the ceremony 3 more times to give Gohan, Goten, and Trunks SSG as well?

Gohan I can picture him outright refusing it because retirement.

But Goten and Trunks I think they'd be like "me next!" lol. Maybe you have to be a certain level of strength before you can gain the form and they didn't meet the requirement? Or they didn't want to keep putting baby Pan through this over and over?

[JulieYBM]

I imagine that it's purely a decision of Toriyama not wanting to give those characters new transformations because he didn't want to write stories with them. Heck, even for Super Hero, Toriyama had to be asked to include Gohan. I imagine that he was also asked to include a new transformation for Gohan, too, and he came up with Beast.

It really makes me wish that Nagamine and the others had asked Toriyama to let them give Gohan Super Saiyan God for the Tournament of Power. Vegeta winds up getting a new form and Goku gets two new forms, so tossing one to Gohan in an arc where he has, ostensibly, the best writing he's had since Namek would have been a good move.

[Zebra]

Vegeeta learned SSG without the ritual. It's implied Whis taught him how to produce God ki, iirc.

Gohan apparently wanted to get stronger on his own, and Goten and Trunks are too inexperienced.

[angeldreamZ004]

Goku in the anime says Vegeta didn't make the ritual, that he got SSJG by himself off-screen, which only leads us to believe that he awakened it through Whis training.

As for the others, I think it's pretty much what Julie said, Toriyama simply wasn't interested in working with those other characters anymore. We can see that based on how prior to Super Hero, he treated them.

Aside from Fukkatsu no F, he never specified how Gohan's power or transformations were supposed to work, which is what led to Toei and Toyotaro going in two different directions, with Toei following the route of him going though regular SSJ forms and later having to re-awaken Ultimate form. And Toyotaro went with him in Permanent Ultimate form as seen in the ToP and Moro arcs.

Goten and Trunks he was even less interested as they don't engage with the core of the stories at all, they're completely sidelined, note how they only get some spotlight in the anime, because it was Toei playing with ideas for filler.

The only other time Toriyama would work with another Saiyajin character in the forefront was in the Zamasu arc, where SSJ2 was the only new form he gave for Mirai Trunks, and it was off-screen. Then it took Super Hero for him to start working with the hybrids again (and it wasn't even his idea originally)

In-universe, I would say the characters themselves aren't interested. Goku and Vegeta are the only ones who got interested in learning, developing and devoting themselves to god powers. Toriyama had Goku trying to convince Whis to train him, then Vegeta discovers about it and follows right behind (Toei did this in the anime, but switched their roles)

Gohan says he wanted to evolve on his own, and we only see him training with Piccolo, also doing off-screen training alone to learn techniques such as makankosappo. And he gets a new transformation that can match MUI Goku, making the training with a master even more meaningless for him.

Then there are Goten and Trunks who don't even seem interested in training at all, we never saw them training with a master for example.

I think those hybrids are all about casual power only, they like getting stronger traditionally, it's what they rely on, Gohan especially in the latest saga which was Super Hero you'll see how the story emphasises him getting stronger by releasing his own power, which was always the thematic around the character.
All the complexity of "training with a master, spiritual domination, strong mind, beyond physical strength, etc" is a Goku thing, which Vegeta decided to follow after Battle of Gods, which is what led those two to going beyond conventional powers, touching different and higher realms. So I guess it's the thematic behind the characters.

I do think it's weird though how no one decided to perform the ritual ever again, and then there's Broly, who's simply naturally insanely strong.

[super michael]

In the anime Goten and Trunks did want to train with Vegeta, however Vegeta didn't want to train with them. Goten did want to train with Goku and Whis, but Chi Chi was against it.

Then in DBS manga Gohan did mention that Goten and Trunks are stronger now, then they mentioned that they have people to protect.


As for the other Saiyans, there was nothing stopping Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Future Trunks from doing the SSG Ritual. By doing the SSG Ritual, they would gain a taste and experience using God Ki and SSG form even if it is temporary. There is nothing stopping Universe 7 from teaching Universe 6 Saiyans teaching them the SSG Ritual.

[Zebra]

I've always felt SSG and SSB should only be usable by pureblooded Saiyans. Toriyama and co never seriously intended to give those forms to Gohan, Goten, Trunks, etc so may as well make it impossible for hybrids to use them (granted, Future Trunks turned SSG in Heroes, but that was only because Toei wasn't sure what Trunks's hair color would be in SS4). A simple way of solving the "why doesn't anyone else turn SSG" dilemma.

But it does seem arbitrary, because SSG and SSB are simply the result of a Saiyan tapping into God Ki (SSB is literally just turning SS1 while using God Ki). Why should hybrids be unable to tap into God Ki? If hybrids can donate their energy for the ritual, that means they're counted as being Saiyans, which should also mean they can become SSG/SSB.

[super michael]

In GT they explained why Bebi Vegeta couldn't transform into SSJ4 and why Vegeta couldn't become SSJ4 in the past, even though he had perfect control of his Oozaru form.

As for why the other Saiyans didn't transform into their Oozaru, imagine Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Pan going out of control.


In DBS they wants us to pretend the SSG Ritual doesn't exist after BoG. They act like the other Saiyans can't learn God Ki.

[Koitsukai]

I don't see these dudes as taking preventive measures such as doing the ritual for everybody just in case there's a new threat.

But I can see why that kind of power would be too much for the kids, they had a taste of power in the Buu arc and blew it. They hadn't prove to be mature enough to wield power strong enough to shake the universe... Trunks and Goten would spar as SSG and it could get messy, even if they aren't as strong as Goku and Beerus were that day, they might not destroy the universe but something much smaller... not even Goku was able to fully control that power.

Gohan... he was clearly out of shape and not really giving a fuck about it. After Beerus, he kept on slacking, and after RoF, he kept on studying. His heart wasn't in it. Perhaps, by the ToP, he could've done the ritual, but he chose to grow stronger following a different path.

In any case, I wonder why Future Trunks wasn't offered to do it to go back and face Black. He was mature enough, focused enough and was actually in great need of a new power. I mean, the saiyans could've gone to the future to help him and also allow him to unlock this new form.

So, Gohan didn't want it, Goten and Trunks do not deserve it, and Future Trunks actually needed it but well... the worse thing about it is that it wouldn't have changed much, it wouldn't have saved the day, but still it would've been nice for him.

[Jack Bz]

Battle of Gods actually does have a good reason for this: Goku retaining the power of super saiyan god after the transformation wears off is treated as very unexpected and yet another sign that he's a fighting genius. It's meant to be a temporary power up but Goku overcomes that limit.

It's easy to imagine the kids going through the ritual afterwards and it ultimately being pointless because it's so temporary.

[Zebra]

There's no reason super prodigies like Gohan, Goten, Trunks, etc wouldn't also be able to retain the power.

[MasenkoHA]

Because by that point Gohan, Trunks, and Goten had been reduced to minor supporting characters on the level of Krillin and Piccolo.

Vegeta learning Super Saiyan God despite that making no fucking sense is so both Goku and Vegeta, the co-leads of Super, can promote shiny new action figures Super Saiyan Blue

[angeldreamZ004]

It's easy to imagine the kids going through the ritual afterwards and it ultimately being pointless because it's so temporary.

I think that's a good explanation, also the other route to aquire it which is through Whis' training, they may think it would be too much for Goten and Trunks to handle, and we saw how that training is if we go by the episodes of the anime for example, so Goku amd Vegeta wouldn't like to take the risk.
Problem being that the series is never clear about it.

Vegeta learning Super Saiyan God despite that making no fucking sense

I don't see where it makes no sense, the anime specially even shows he was the one who started training with Whis and introduces the concept of acquiring divine powers throughout training with such being.

[MasenkoHA]

It's easy to imagine the kids going through the ritual afterwards and it ultimately being pointless because it's so temporary.

I think that's a good explanation, also the other route to aquire it which is through Whis' training, they may think it would be too much for Goten and Trunks to handle, and we saw how that training is if we go by the episodes of the anime for example, so Goku amd Vegeta wouldn't like to take the risk.
Problem being that the series is never clear about it.

Vegeta learning Super Saiyan God despite that making no fucking sense

I don't see where it makes no sense, the anime specially even shows he was the one who started training with Whis and introduces the concept of acquiring divine powers throughout training with such being.

“Super Saiyan God can only be acquired through a ritual”

Just kidding LOL

[DanielSSJ]

I think that's a good explanation, also the other route to aquire it which is through Whis' training, they may think it would be too much for Goten and Trunks to handle, and we saw how that training is if we go by the episodes of the anime for example, so Goku amd Vegeta wouldn't like to take the risk.
Problem being that the series is never clear about it.

Tbh I feel like the time commitment is the bigger obstacle than anything else. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks all have lives and obligations, they can't just drop everything to spend months on end at Beerus's place like Goku and Vegeta can.

“Super Saiyan God can only be acquired through a ritual”

Just kidding LOL

Most of the rest of Dragon Ball Super indicated that Godly ki is something that absolutely can be and is usually acquired through training, given what we know about how new Destroyers are selected. Vegeta's only remarkable in regards to how fast he picked it up.

[angeldreamZ004]

Tbh I feel like the time commitment is the bigger obstacle than anything else. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks all have lives and obligations, they can't just drop everything to spend months on end at Beerus's place like Goku and Vegeta can.

I guess that's indeed the strongest factor and I forgot about it. All of them actually found their time to train or do adventures like Goten and Trunks, even Goku trained during his work but he could only attend the ongoing training due to getting a lot of money twice.

The only one who's like Vegeta then would be Broly, the explanation for him being that he was only relocated to Beerus' Planet so Freeza wouldn't find him, he didn't show any interest in learning god ki as far as I remember, but that was recent, and the fact that Goku and the others later help him in training could lead to something as well.

So I have all the 5 cases at least for me as solved.

[Zebra]

It wouldn't take them "months on end" to obtain God Ki, and there's always the ROSAT.

[angeldreamZ004]

It wouldn't take them "months on end" to obtain God Ki, and there's always the ROSAT.

The training with Whis is presented as being ongoing, and there's always a time skip of at least a few months everytime we see it.

And the only time a ROSAT was used in order to master divine powers was when Goku trained with Merus, which was for him to train Ultra Instinct, I don't recall of any moment where ROSAT was used to learn god ki. Only if Whis went there with them I guess.

[Zebra]

And the only time a ROSAT was used in order to master divine powers was when Goku trained with Merus, which was for him to train Ultra Instinct, I don't recall of any moment where ROSAT was used to learn god ki. Only if Whis went there with them I guess.

Whis doesn't need to come with them in the ROSAT.

[angeldreamZ004]

Whis doesn't need to come with them in the ROSAT.

But how would they learn God Ki then?

[Zebra]

Whis doesn't need to come with them in the ROSAT.

But how would they learn God Ki then?

The ritual, and they can go with Gokuu and/or Vegeeta in the ROSAT.