Nothing to gain from DBE?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:59 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:Beast Wars continues to ironically be the best Transformers content out there.

Yeah, with enough drops you get an ocean. However, all the drops that refuse to see Evolution due to a bad adaptation will not be an ocean, it'll just be a pond or so. You can try and be a consumer advocate all you want, but it's simply not worth it at this scale.
You have no way of knowing that. If every fan of the series skipped the movie it would take a serious chunk of money from Fox. But instead people take the attitide of "Oh it will make money anyway." Sure it will because people like you* support it even if you dislike it. What motivation do thyt have to make a good Dragonball movie if a shitty one gets them the same result.

*I'm not referring to you.

Why don't we literally rob Fox while we're at it? Then they won't have the money to make a movie ever again.

Seriously, you're being unbelievably petty. You really think if this movie does badly enough we'll never see a bad movie again? That aside, you're encouraging people to steal from a company just because you don't like them and their product.

If you want to hold on to your money, then do so. But don't bitch at other fans for not doing the same.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:46 am

You really think if this movie does badly enough we'll never see a bad movie again?

Limits the chances of seeing a bad Dragonball movie again.

That aside, you're encouraging people to steal from a company just because you don't like them and their product.

Actually I don't dislike Fox. Their bad outweighs the good just for Married with Children, The Simpsons, king of the Hill and Futurama.

you're encouraging people to steal from a company just because you don't like them and their product.

Way to devalue the term stealing.

If you want to hold on to your money, then do so. But don't bitch at other fans for not doing the same.

If somebody expresses dislike of the movie then pays to see it they are part of the problem. If they like it then they are obviously beyond any help.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:05 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
you're encouraging people to steal from a company just because you don't like them and their product.
Way to devalue the term stealing.

No, I'm with Bussani on this.

Basically, you're saying that if you want access to their product, then you should not pay for it.

That's stealing.

I mean, I'm not going to hold it against people for watching it online (even though I don't think it's right), but it doesn't change what it is.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:11 am

Victator Supreme wrote:If somebody expresses dislike of the movie then pays to see it they are part of the problem.

Yeah, that totally makes illegally downloading it the moral thing to do. For the good of the world!

I can't express outright dislike for a movie I haven't seen yet. Thus I'm seeing it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:32 am

Kingdom Heartless wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:
you're encouraging people to steal from a company just because you don't like them and their product.
Way to devalue the term stealing.

No, I'm with Bussani on this.

Basically, you're saying that if you want access to their product, then you should not pay for it.

That's stealing.

Not really, if you sneak into a movie thats not stealing, its trespassing. Downloading a digital copy of something off the internet is not stealing. It is its own unique crime.

Yeah, that totally makes illegally downloading it the moral thing to do. For the good of the world!

Who is talking about morality. I'm saying if you care about Dragonball. Then you should not want a company shitting all over it. But hey waste your time and money and encourage a sequal. Its on your head not mine.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:43 am

Victator Supreme wrote:Not really, if you sneak into a movie thats not stealing, its trespassing. Downloading a digital copy of something off the internet is not stealing. It is its own unique crime.

The long term effects are the same. If one million people steal a DVD instead of buying it, then the company will either go out of business or stop producing the DVDs. Regardless of whether or not you like the movie, you're still wrecking (in however small a manner it may be) it for those who have a legitimate interest in it. It's selfish.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:45 am

Victator Supreme wrote:Not really, if you sneak into a movie thats not stealing, its trespassing. Downloading a digital copy of something off the internet is not stealing. It is its own unique crime.

Ffs...

Talk about semantics. So it's not stealing, but you admit it's a crime? Fine then. You're encouraging a crime. That's so much better than stealing. Good job.

Who is talking about morality. I'm saying if you care about Dragonball. Then you should not want a company shitting all over it. But hey waste your time and money and encourage a sequal. Its on your head not mine.

'If you care about Dragon Ball'? I'm sorry, how is this crappy movie hurting Dragon Ball? Are you insinuating that people who pay to legally see the movie aren't as big of fans as you are?

You're being utterly ridiculous. If you let this movie get under your skin this much, that's your problem.

B · Post by B » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:14 am

Victator Supreme wrote:If they like it then they are obviously beyond any help.

What the fuck is this? "Beyond any help?"

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:45 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:Not really, if you sneak into a movie thats not stealing, its trespassing. Downloading a digital copy of something off the internet is not stealing. It is its own unique crime.
The long term effects are the same. If one million people steal a DVD instead of buying it, then the company will either go out of business or stop producing the DVDs. Regardless of whether or not you like the movie, you're still wrecking (in however small a manner it may be) it for those who have a legitimate interest in it. It's selfish.

Well thats the point of this idea.

What the fuck is this? "Beyond any help?"

It means they can't be saved when Xenu decides to extract cola from their timelines. What do you think it means?

'If you care about Dragon Ball'? I'm sorry, how is this crappy movie hurting Dragon Ball? Are you insinuating that people who pay to legally see the movie aren't as big of fans as you are?

This shitty movie by existing is preventing a good one from being made. How is that complicated?

Talk about semantics. So it's not stealing, but you admit it's a crime? Fine then. You're encouraging a crime. That's so much better than stealing. Good job.

Lots of things are crimes. Not all of them are wrong. When you incorrectly use the term stealing, you are attempting to take the high ground. Because a rube reads it and thinks "Stealing gosh gee that could be me." In reality its a different thing. With various shades of being unethical depending on the situation. This one qualifying as unethical.

If you let this movie get under your skin this much, that's your problem.

I havent even noticed this movie til I look at threads like this and people defending this shit.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:06 am

Victator Supreme wrote:This shitty movie by existing is preventing a good one from being made. How is that complicated?

And? Dragon Ball didn't need a live action movie.

Lots of things are crimes. Not all of them are wrong. When you incorrectly use the term stealing, you are attempting to take the high ground. Because a rube reads it and thinks "Stealing gosh gee that could be me." In reality its a different thing. With various shades of being unethical depending on the situation. This one qualifying as unethical.

Calling it stealing is 'taking the high ground', but calling it an unethical crime isn't? Call it whatever you want, you're just twisting words around and missing the point.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:07 am

Victator Supreme wrote: I havent even noticed this movie til I look at threads like this and people defending this shit.

The problem is that you are arguing with people who don't even care for the movie either.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:13 am

And? Dragon Ball didn't need a live action movie.

And it most assuredly did not need a shitty one.

Calling it stealing is 'taking the high ground', but calling it an unethical crime isn't? Call it whatever you want, you're just twisting words around and missing the point.

No its being accurate.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:20 am

Victator Supreme wrote:And it most assuredly did not need a shitty one.

True, but the shitty one isn't hurting it.

Calling it stealing is 'taking the high ground', but calling it an unethical crime isn't? Call it whatever you want, you're just twisting words around and missing the point.
No its being accurate.

Just got to have the last word even if it's a pointless one, don't you?

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:47 am

And going out of your way to make this one flop simply lessens the odds of us ever getting a good movie. And it's something I would like to see. Sometimes companies do listen to fan responce.

The Fantastic Four movies were financially successful, but they are still rebooting it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:38 am

Just got to have the last word even if it's a pointless one, don't you?

Yes

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:48 am

In response to the thread title...
"Nothing to gain from DBE?" Sure there is, if FindKenshi ever returns to DB:Crisis.

What would Psycho!Gohan do to Chatku and friends, I wonder...

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:55 pm

Post by **desirecampbell** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:35 pm

For the love of fuck...

Bussani et all: not buying a product or service is the way of discouraging similar products/services from being made available. Crap that's made for profit will keep being made if i's profitable.

Secondly, downloading a theatre-cam of a film is not actually illegal in most countries. And the countries where such laws would prohibit it have little legal weight.

Thirdly, yes there is possible "damage" that DBE could do to Dagon Ball as a whole. Remember how Dragon Ball is the go-to "crappy childish anime"? That was because of the Funimation dub being, in a word, terrible. Evolution has absolutely no chance of being any better.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:08 pm

I wish that we could still post in threads in the Introduction forum... it's good to see you again, Kunzait. I'm glad your departure wasn't as permanent as I was thinking it might be.

Since it's semi-pertinent to the current discussion, Kunzait, what are your thoughts on Dragon Ball GT? It's pretty obvious that Dragon Ball Evolution won't have your approval, but I don't believe I've ever read your thoughts on GT. It's more of a gray area (Well, relative to Evolution, anyway) since it's at least a continuation of the main story instead of a warped retelling.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Kunzait_83, good post.

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