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Post by MCDaveG » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:51 am

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MCDaveG wrote:The US dub accurate to Japanese original...... total bullshit
No its not. It had some shitty lines in it. But overall it told the same story. Don't believe me, take out the dvd's watch a random episode with subs on. If its not mostly accurate, I'll kiss your ass.

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No it's not, I have the American remasters...... Maybe the core of the story is same as japanese, mostly because of events in animation, but almost all the lines are changed and there are lot of censhorship in words and some awful trying to make own funny jokes or making jokes in things, where are originally not...... We are most discussing the dialogs and not the story, the story can't be changed.

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Post by Captain Awesome » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:02 am

laserkid wrote: It's totally okay by me if you like the dub, but please, don't insult my (and everyone elses) intelligence by claiming the dub to be mostly accurate.
I have to agree there, like what you like, but that doesn't change the fact that the dub is a pretty big departure in terms of script and tone from the original, especially characterisation and dialogue, the dub is way off the mark until it eventually started to shape up a little in the Boo arc.
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Post by desirecampbell » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:02 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:The US dub accurate to Japanese original...... total bullshit
No its not. It had some shitty lines in it. But overall it told the same story. Don't believe me, take out the dvd's watch a random episode with subs on. If its not mostly accurate, I'll kiss your ass. Oh and kindly fuck yourself.
You do know that you're reading subtitles for the dub, right? There are two sub tracks on the Funi DVDs: Daimao's subtitles, and (so-called) dub-titles; you're seeing the latter.

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Post by Chrono Trigger » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:19 am

I guess I can never have a conversation with a fan of the original because apparently when "The Supreme Kai" asked Goku to not fight Vegeta or when Goku transformed into a Super Saiyan I was watching an entirely different cartoon show.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:22 am

No, I see what he's talking about and I will agree. There are a lot of things that are changed, but a lot that are just reworded. So rather than saying something like, "I, Freeza, am the most existence in the universe", the dub would say something like, "I am the most fearsome threat in existence!" A lot of the actual things that involve the story, they actually keep. But if it's mindless and useless banter among characters, that usually does get changed. But the dub does have its moments when you go, "what the hell?" even if you are a fan. Like in GT when Goku is eating (after his training with Uub) and in the dub he asks for seconds, but in the original he screams out that he's full. Then again, I guess that's a pretty okay change because it is more true to his character I believe. Still, sometimes they just have these random and useless changes.

And I never realized just how thin the trigger was for some fans of the dub. Not because I'm defending the dub fans or anything, I just didn't think people could take something to heart like that. It's very weird to me.

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Post by Commander_Red » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:32 am

Season 3, Disc 2, first ep, dunno what number it actually is....
Guess which is subs and which is the dub dialogue. :P

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Kaiosama: I can sense Piccolo's power has increased since he left here. I wonder how that happened to him.

Tenshinhan: Wait a second, are you saying you actually think he's strong enough now to defeat Freeza?

Kaiosama: No... I'm just saying that for some strange reason he's stronger but he's still no match for Freeza.

Yamcha: If Piccolo fails then we'll have to remain here forever. I knew he'd botch this up, if only I were there I'd take Freeza out myself.

Tenshinhan: Yamcha, have a little more faith in Piccolo, he'll come through for us.

Kaiosama: I just hope you're right about that.

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Kaiosama: Piccolo's ki has increased considerably since he left his training here. What's going on?

Tenshinhan: In that case, Kaio-sama, are you saying Piccolo has the potential to win against Freeza?

Kaiosama: No... They are touching that which should have remained untouched. Freeza's power is unmatched.

Yamcha: Is Piccolo is beaten then Kami-sama will also die. If that happens our chance at resurrection will probably be forever lost.

Tenshinhan: Piccolo, you have to stick it out until Goku has recovered!

Kaiosama: That is the issue, isn't it?

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Post by NeptuneKai » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:50 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:The US dub accurate to Japanese original...... total bullshit
No its not. It had some shitty lines in it. But overall it told the same story. Don't believe me, take out the dvd's watch a random episode with subs on. If its not mostly accurate, I'll kiss your ass.
That’s kind of a dangerous bet if I picked up season 3 :lol: . But I agree with you for the most part. While terminology is changed slightly the script isn't really that off. The only issue I have is the inconsistency between voices and script writing. Season 1 and 2 redubs have accurate scripts with great voice acting but season 3 is awfully inaccurate with terrible voice acting, the Cell games scripts are accurate and it has decent voice acting so on and so fourth. This is why I’m hoping they dub Kai so the quality is consistent throughout the series.
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Post by Commander_Red » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:04 am

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Victator Supreme wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:The US dub accurate to Japanese original...... total bullshit
No its not. It had some shitty lines in it. But overall it told the same story. Don't believe me, take out the dvd's watch a random episode with subs on. If its not mostly accurate, I'll kiss your ass.
That’s kind of a dangerous bet if I picked up season 3 :lol: . But I agree with you for the most part. While terminology is changed slightly the script isn't really that off. The only issue I have is the inconsistency between voices and script writing. Season 1 and 2 redubs have accurate scripts with great voice acting but season 3 is awfully inaccurate with terrible voice acting, the Cell games scripts are accurate and it has decent voice acting so on and so fourth. This is why I’m hoping they dub Kai so the quality is consistent throughout the series.
I'm watching the season 1 redub right now and the script is not very accurate at all in some places. I think they for the most part took the old Saban scripts and touched up a couple places where there were glaring mistakes.

Also I think it's ludicrous to suggest that Evolution is better than the dub.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:54 am

So anyway, about the topic at hand. I don't think that the series could start up any new fans. By new fans, that means people who have never watched the show. If it's totally different, how could it? When they'd watch the anime, they'd be like, "What is this? It's so wrong!" Besides, there's virtually no way for new fans to get into it. The show isn't on TV anymore and I doubt they'd go buying all the DVDs, spending an insane amount of money just because they might've (God...) liked the movie. They'd probably just buy the Dragon Ball Evolution DVD instead. Saves time, money, and energy. Also, they'd know what they're getting.

Anyway, I haven't seen the movie and won't see it until it comes onto one of the movie channels (HBO, Cinemax, etc.) because I refuse to spend any money on it. I heard the WORST things about it from people who saw it.

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Post by Victator Supreme » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:49 pm

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laserkid wrote: It's totally okay by me if you like the dub, but please, don't insult my (and everyone elses) intelligence by claiming the dub to be mostly accurate.
I have to agree there, like what you like, but that doesn't change the fact that the dub is a pretty big departure in terms of script and tone from the original, especially characterisation and dialogue, the dub is way off the mark until it eventually started to shape up a little in the Boo arc.
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No I'm taking being called a liar personally. There are lots of parts of the dub I fucking hate. Its possible to be accurate yet still shitty.
You do know that you're reading subtitles for the dub, right? There are two sub tracks on the Funi DVDs: Daimao's subtitles, and (so-called) dub-titles; you're seeing the latter.
No I am watching the Japanese sub titles. I did not say it is line for line accurate. That would be impossible on account of you know Japanese and english being completely diffeent languages. What i said was is that the dub basically put across the same story. For example
Kaiosama: I can sense Piccolo's power has increased since he left here. I wonder how that happened to him.

Tenshinhan: Wait a second, are you saying you actually think he's strong enough now to defeat Freeza?

Kaiosama: No... I'm just saying that for some strange reason he's stronger but he's still no match for Freeza.

Yamcha: If Piccolo fails then we'll have to remain here forever. I knew he'd botch this up, if only I were there I'd take Freeza out myself.

Tenshinhan: Yamcha, have a little more faith in Piccolo, he'll come through for us.

Kaiosama: I just hope you're right about that.

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Kaiosama: Piccolo's ki has increased considerably since he left his training here. What's going on?

Tenshinhan: In that case, Kaio-sama, are you saying Piccolo has the potential to win against Freeza?

Kaiosama: No... They are touching that which should have remained untouched. Freeza's power is unmatched.

Yamcha: Is Piccolo is beaten then Kami-sama will also die. If that happens our chance at resurrection will probably be forever lost.

Tenshinhan: Piccolo, you have to stick it out until Goku has recovered!

Kaiosama: That is the issue, isn't it?
The same basic point is being expressed. Piccolo has obtained much more power but is still not a match for Frieza.

Now for what seems like the 20th time. I do not care what people say about the dub. I do care when somebody calls me a liar. In that case they are free to suck my balls.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:06 pm

Maybe a couple, but not a lot, since the movie was pretty crap alone. Even without Dragon Ball, it would be a bad film, since it lacked a plot and just sucked balls (no pun intended). But that's not what the thread is about.

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Post by Adamant » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:15 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:The same basic point is being expressed. Piccolo has obtained much more power but is still not a match for Freeza.
That's not "being mostly accurate", that's "getting the barest basics across".
It's like saying the movie was "mostly accurate" because there's a character named Goku who's very strong and does the Kamehameha in it.
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Post by Victator Supreme » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:24 pm

Adamant wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:The same basic point is being expressed. Piccolo has obtained much more power but is still not a match for Freeza.
That's not "being mostly accurate", that's "getting the barest basics across".
It's like saying the movie was "mostly accurate" because there's a character named Goku who's very strong and does the Kamehameha in it.
No it is being mostly accurate. I'm not going to do a line by line explanation to you. If you want to be obtuse thats your problem. The fact is almost every line was close to what the original had. The only significant change is Yamcha saying he could beat Frieiza. Which is a pretty dumb line but well within the margin of error I set.

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Post by ShinRogafuken » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:36 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:
Adamant wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:The same basic point is being expressed. Piccolo has obtained much more power but is still not a match for Freeza.
That's not "being mostly accurate", that's "getting the barest basics across".
It's like saying the movie was "mostly accurate" because there's a character named Goku who's very strong and does the Kamehameha in it.
No it is being mostly accurate. I'm not going to do a line by line explanation to you. If you want to be obtuse thats your problem. The fact is almost every line was close to what the original had. The only significant change is Yamcha saying he could beat Frieiza. Which is a pretty dumb line but well within the margin of error I set.
Look, Victator Supreme, don't get worked up over this. I think both you and the other guys have points.

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Post by Saiyavenger2941 » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:39 pm

ShinRogafuken wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:
Adamant wrote: That's not "being mostly accurate", that's "getting the barest basics across".
It's like saying the movie was "mostly accurate" because there's a character named Goku who's very strong and does the Kamehameha in it.
No it is being mostly accurate. I'm not going to do a line by line explanation to you. If you want to be obtuse thats your problem. The fact is almost every line was close to what the original had. The only significant change is Yamcha saying he could beat Frieiza. Which is a pretty dumb line but well within the margin of error I set.
Look, Victator Supreme, don't get worked up over this. I think both you and the other guys have points.
Eh, don't bother. He just wants to be an internet tough guy over something that totally doesn't warrant anger of any kind.

Ignore it and it'll go away, hopefully.
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:43 pm

It isn't that accurate. The overall point was that Piccolo needed to hold off Freeza until Goku could join the battle. In the dub, Kaio implies that Piccolo has a chance of winning and tells Yamcha to have faith.

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Post by Victator Supreme » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:09 pm

Kendamu wrote:It isn't that accurate. The overall point was that Piccolo needed to hold off Freeza until Goku could join the battle. In the dub, Kaio implies that Piccolo has a chance of winning and tells Yamcha to have faith.
Except he outright tells Tenshinhan that Piccolo is no match for Frieza. It comes across he has to hold off Freeza not defeat him.
Eh, don't bother. He just wants to be an internet tough guy over something that totally doesn't warrant anger of any kind.
Actually I was/am in a terrible mood over something else. Which lead to me overreacting to something simply assinine.

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Post by Dr. Casey » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:07 pm

Kaiosama: I can sense Piccolo's power has increased since he left here. I wonder how that happened to him.

Vs.

Kaiosama: Piccolo's ki has increased considerably since he left his training here. What's going on?
Fair enough. Good translation right here.
Tenshinhan: Wait a second, are you saying you actually think he's strong enough now to defeat Freeza?

Vs.

Tenshinhan: In that case, Kaio-sama, are you saying Piccolo has the potential to win against Freeza?
Good, though not quite as accurate as the first. In the original, Tenshinhan's phrasing is respectful because he's speaking to someone reverent. In the dub, he sounds a bit rowdy and casual. Not that big a deal in itself, though. I think it's nice in a way, actually; their little group during the Namek Saga is a cozy one.
Kaiosama: No... I'm just saying that for some strange reason he's stronger but he's still no match for Freeza.

Vs.

Kaiosama: No... They are touching that which should have remained untouched. Freeza's power is unmatched.
The same idea, though the original version is much more eloquent and well-written. The sense of Kaio being wise and well-spoken is lost with the cheaper dialogue. Minus one for characterization.
Yamcha: If Piccolo fails then we'll have to remain here forever. I knew he'd botch this up, if only I were there I'd take Freeza out myself.

Vs.

Yamcha: Is Piccolo is beaten then Kami-sama will also die. If that happens our chance at resurrection will probably be forever lost.
Wait, what? Not only does that have nothing to do with what was actually said, but it's a stupid quote in its own right. Yamcha knew Piccolo would botch things? Uh, why? He's consistently been the most powerful fighter after Son Goku as well as a helpful, reliable ally in the one year since Radditz arrived. There's nothing in his history to point towards failure. And what's with the random cocking of an attitude? Yamcha's not an arrogant punk. It's this sort of stuff which gives the dub its bad reputation.
Tenshinhan: Yamcha, have a little more faith in Piccolo, he'll come through for us.

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Tenshinhan: Piccolo, you have to stick it out until Goku has recovered!
Not a huge deal by itself, but that's just the thing. These minor tweaks and alteration eventually add up. If every scene is just a little bit off (And that's not the case, but let's be generous here), then things end up being a lot off. For the record, I do prefer the Japanese version's dialogue, simply because a direct message to Piccolo is more meaningful to me than his indirect statement to Yamcha.
Kaiosama: I just hope you're right about that.

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Kaiosama: That is the issue, isn't it?
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Post by Kid Trunks » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:37 pm

One of my friends, who's a movie fanatic, kind of got interested in Dragonball Evolution, mainly because he knows I'm so big into Dragonball. He actually asked specifically to borrow my Dragonball dvds, and not the Z dvds (he wanted to start from the beginning). But since he handles disks in such a stupid way (all his are badly scratched and ruined, and he even damaged some of my non-Dragonball dvds) I said no. So basically, the movie almost created a fan there, only I ending up stopping it! Oh well.

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Post by SSJ2bardock » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:38 am

Kendamu wrote:It isn't that accurate. The overall point was that Piccolo needed to hold off Freeza until Goku could join the battle. In the dub, Kaio implies that Piccolo has a chance of winning and tells Yamcha to have faith.
Kaiosama: No... I'm just saying that for some strange reason he's stronger but he's still no match for Freeza.
Explain to me how that implies he has a chance of winning.
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