Recoome's Race?

[Saiyan-Professor]

...The strongest Saiyan in the last 1,000 years had a PL between 24,000 and 90,000, and that was the (base form of the) previous SSJ. Maybe Goku and Vegeta actually were mutant Saiyans? But yeah, that's why I think Broly is just USSJ2 in his continuity.

Yeah but Kakarrot and Vegeta was not born with those combat strengths and we do not know what the original Super Saiyan’s birth strength was, I find it hard to believe that the original fought enough battles against strong opponents in order to become battle damaged enough to reach the 180,000 area. With Broli we know he was born with a combat strength of 10,000.

Back on-topic, I want Recoom to be a mutant Kongaragattan. I find it amusing that he'd have a PL above 30,000 while the rest of his race, including the elite, all have PLs lower than 5.

What is a Kongaragattan?

[Dayspring]

...The strongest Saiyan in the last 1,000 years had a PL between 24,000 and 90,000, and that was the (base form of the) previous SSJ. Maybe Goku and Vegeta actually were mutant Saiyans? But yeah, that's why I think Broly is just USSJ2 in his continuity.

Yeah but Kakarrot and Vegeta was not born with those combat strengths and we do not know what the original Super Saiyan’s birth strength was, I find it hard to believe that the original fought enough battles against strong opponents in order to become battle damaged enough to reach the 180,000 area. With Broli we know he was born with a combat strength of 10,000.

Mutation doesn't necessarily imply insane birth PLs, though, just a random genetic change responsible for unnaturally obtainable strength levels.
EDIT: Which may also explain why Goku has access to zenkais despite being a Low Level Saiyan.

Back on-topic, I want Recoom to be a mutant Kongaragattan. I find it amusing that he'd have a PL above 30,000 while the rest of his race, including the elite, all have PLs lower than 5.

What is a Kongaragattan?

They're an alien species from Pola and Roid (which shares the same continuity as Dragonball) that are very weak by human standards. While you could argue that Roid is actually quite strong (ie: stronger than average but weaker than Kamesennin), the elite Kongaragattan was scared by how he was able to snap a pencil in half (using two hands), which implies that they don't hold a candle to average humans.

[JulieYBM]

Well, Broli's not canon. That would be sort of using a character Toriyama didn't have in mind to further a theory meant to override a possible belief an author might have had about the growth of two characters.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Well, Broli's not canon. That would be sort of using a character Toriyama didn't have in mind to further a theory meant to override a possible belief an author might have had about the growth of two characters.

And yet, Cell Games has not started yet. Movie 8 took place during 9-day break. So that being said, I considered Broli to be canon character.

[Herms]

But Goku and Gohan aren't in there constant Super Saiyan state. And why would schools be interviewing the parents of potential students while the world was in danger of being destroyed in a few days?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

But Goku and Gohan aren't in there constant Super Saiyan state. And why would schools be interviewing the parents of potential students while the world was in danger of being destroyed in a few days?

Why would Goku be in SSJ when interviewing?

Don't forget the people are being rely on Her.. ermm Mark So I guess people are being worry-free because they believe Mark will save the world. So they went back to their usual routes.

[Herms]

In the manga, Goku notices that most people aren't working in the days leading up to the Cell Games. Chi Chi says that it's only natural, since who would want to work when the world could end in a few days?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

This was before the appearance of Mr. Satan. Even during Cell Games, the people are working. In anime we see the employers taking calls from people. The residents are packed on the streets watching The Cell Games. The people are driving. Why would they want to be outside knowing Mr. Satan won't win?

[Dayspring]

But again, Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ.

[Victator Supreme]

But Goku and Gohan aren't in there constant Super Saiyan state. And why would schools be interviewing the parents of potential students while the world was in danger of being destroyed in a few days?

The trailer used footage of them leaving the chamber. I think its clear that was the intended time. As for why they weren't in Super Saiyan, Chi Chi nagged it out of them. The real answer is obviously they were not sure that was the direction. But its not enough to pull it out of anime continuity like a bunch of the movies.

I think Broly is a Toriyama creation. He designed him and he is based off of a back story Toriyama created. At the very least he would be co creator. As he would be of any Dragonball character he designed that used large parts of his backstory to create.

As for the topic at hand. I believe the saiyans are on average the strongest race in the universe. Except for perhaps Nameks. You put the average saiyan up against the average of any other race and I think the saiyan would win. Thats why Feeza feared a large group of saiyans as opposed to a bunch of Appuls.

[Dayspring]

But Goku and Gohan aren't in there constant Super Saiyan state. And why would schools be interviewing the parents of potential students while the world was in danger of being destroyed in a few days?

The trailer used footage of them leaving the chamber. I think its clear that was the intended time.

It's possible this is the timeline created by the original Trunks. If it were, then Goku and Gohan would exit as planned, only to find that Vegeta and Trunks took out the androids. This would explain Trunks' hair, the lack of SSJ (they simply don't need it anymore), and why Goku's too stupid to rely on Gohan.

As for why they weren't in Super Saiyan, Chi Chi nagged it out of them.

Considering we see in the manga that she was willing to put up with it, I don't see her nagging them.

As for the topic at hand. I believe the saiyans are on average the strongest race in the universe. Except for perhaps Nameks. You put the average aiyan up against the average of any other race and I think the saiyan would win. Thats why Feeza feared a large group of saiyans as opposed to a bunch of Appuls.

Not really. Keep in mind that the average of all the Saiyans (excluding the elite) is only 1,200. That means that most of the Saiyans have srengths beneath, equal, and only close to Radditz. What makes them a threat is that it seems like over 99% of the population is part of its military, and that all of them have the ability to become 10x stronger.

[Herms]

I think Broly is a Toriyama creation. He designed him and he is based off of a back story Toriyama created. At the very least he would be co creator. As he would be of any Dragonball character he designed that used large parts of his backstory to create.

Toriyama only did the character designs for movie characters, and had no hand in the story line. He said so in his Daizenshuu 6 interview.

[Victator Supreme]

I think Broly is a Toriyama creation. He designed him and he is based off of a back story Toriyama created. At the very least he would be co creator. As he would be of any Dragonball character he designed that used large parts of his backstory to create.

Toriyama only did the character designs for movie characters, and had no hand in the story line. He said so in his Daizenshuu 6 interview.

And the movie characters backstories were used from the Dragonball story Toriyama wrote.

[Dayspring]

I think Broly is a Toriyama creation. He designed him and he is based off of a back story Toriyama created. At the very least he would be co creator. As he would be of any Dragonball character he designed that used large parts of his backstory to create.

Toriyama only did the character designs for movie characters, and had no hand in the story line. He said so in his Daizenshuu 6 interview.

And the movie characters backstories were used from the Dragonball story Toriyama wrote.

So we're to take anything with the DB logo as automatically part of canon because it's based on the manga? I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree here. That logic implies our fanfictions are just as legit.

[Victator Supreme]

Toriyama only did the character designs for movie characters, and had no hand in the story line. He said so in his Daizenshuu 6 interview.

And the movie characters backstories were used from the Dragonball story Toriyama wrote.

So we're to take anything with the DB logo as automatically part of canon because it's based on the manga? I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree here. That logic implies our fanfictions are just as legit.

No I'm not saying canon. I'm saying Toriyama is the co cfeator of any Dragonball character he designed. Or really any character who was created using his story.

[Dayspring]

And the movie characters backstories were used from the Dragonball story Toriyama wrote.

So we're to take anything with the DB logo as automatically part of canon because it's based on the manga? I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree here. That logic implies our fanfictions are just as legit.

No I'm not saying canon. I'm saying Toriyama is the co cfeator of any Dragonball character he designed. Or really any character who was created using his story.

But that doesn't mean Broly is canon.

[Victator Supreme]

So we're to take anything with the DB logo as automatically part of canon because it's based on the manga? I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree here. That logic implies our fanfictions are just as legit.

No I'm not saying canon. I'm saying Toriyama is the co cfeator of any Dragonball character he designed. Or really any character who was created using his story.

But that doesn't mean Broly is canon.

No it does not, but it does not mean he isn't.

[Dayspring]

But that doesn't mean Broly is canon.

NO it does not, but it doe not mean he isn't.

Yes, it does. If they pay Toriyama to design a character based on their story, it just means it's his design, not his story. Thus, not canon.

[Victator Supreme]

But that doesn't mean Broly is canon.

NO it does not, but it doe not mean he isn't.

Yes, it does. If they pay Toriyama to design a character based on their story, it just means it's his design, not his story. Thus, not canon.

We are not discussing manga canon.

[Wojak]

NO it does not, but it doe not mean he isn't.

Yes, it does. If they pay Toriyama to design a character based on their story, it just means it's his design, not his story. Thus, not canon.

We are not discussing manga canon.

I think that it's pretty clear that it is "the main storyline" - canon that Dayspring is referring to.

Even so, to add everyt Dragonball movie and anime and manga together, there would be a great inconsistency between them all.
Whilst the anime may correct them, and the movies too, neither of them can be blended in with eachother to clear out the inconstistencies them between.

The Broly design does not make movie 8 canon just because of that Toriyama drew it.
Even so, it's the story that defines canon.
Toriyama can draw a drawing where Goku eats a fly and dies, and it can be made into a movie, but it's still not canon.