Xenophobia: How does it impact the DragonBall fanbase?

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:52 pm

I never thought I'd hear someone WANT to break a history lesson.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:55 pm

laserkid wrote:I never thought I'd hear someone trash the Ocean cast. T-T

no no, not Ian Corlette! I really liked him. I'm talking about Kurby Marrow as goku and Brian Drummon(?) as Vegeta. I didn't really like them for DBZ. There are other Shows where Ocean Group does a really nice job but with Dragonball, it just didn't feel right.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:10 pm

laserkid wrote:As for the whole nostalgia dub... ahhh Ian Corlette, I miss you...

That man will always be Goku in my head.

Similar to how I welcome the rumors of Funi redubbing Sailor Moon, but I don't want anyone being Serena other than Terri Hawkes.

On your mentioning of watching most anime dubbed, for me, it's because I'm just lazy and egalitarian. What I mean is with a lot of you guys buy/rent western cartoons or live action tv shows or movies on dvd, do you go to the specials first, ot just pop in and push play? For me, I do that with anime dvds too. And as its usually English that starts, I watch in English. Only exception to that I saw was His and Her Circumstances, though changed that because I was eating at the time and I have a hard time reading subtitles and eating at the same time.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:39 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:But you don't mean it in a racist way. I don't understand why simply not liking the sound of the language isn't easily distinguishable from something worse . . .

Well remember, languages don’t exist as isolated, abstract things. Languages are spoken by people. If you’re not careful to clarify that you’re merely talking about your own personal preferences as far as entertainment goes, the implications of saying you don’t like the sound of a particular language can quickly lead to racist areas. After all, saying that you don’t like the way a language sounds means you don’t like the way people who speak that language sound when they talk. Saying you find Japanese unpleasant to listen to means you find Japanese people unpleasant to listen to. You have to be careful just what you say, and be understanding if people take you the wrong way.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:23 am

I guess so.

It's kinda hard for me to extrapolate racism from such a seemingly insignificant comment of harmless conversation, but that's more my fault than yours. I don't have much experience with racism or anything equally unpleasant regarding the human condition (which is surprising given my age and life experience), so I guess I'm kinda dense when it comes to identifying a potential problem in this area-- it makes me more naive than I should be. The very concept of racism is so bizarre that I just can't see why anyone would, could or should have that kind of problem with anyone else.

Well, thanks for the tip. Sorry that you had to spell it out for me . . .

I'm going to bed.

~Da Lemmy

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:43 am

Wikipedia wrote:Xenophobia is a dislike and/or fear of that which is unknown or different from oneself.... The term is typically used to describe a fear or dislike of foreigners or of people significantly different from oneself, usually in the context of visibly differentiated minorities.

Can xenophobia really be used to describe someone that prefers his own language when it comes to understanding a movie/tv-series?
I mean, it's up to oneself if one prefers to drive a Mercedes, live at a house at the beach and to eat a Rocky Road ice cream or to worship Satan.
To chose to watch something in your own language is also one thing that one prefers. I mean, you grew up with that language, and it would be easiest to watch a movie with that language.

Also, if you are xenophobic, why would you watch an anime series that 1) is made in Japan and 2)contains Japanese cultural references.
As far as I know, many anime fans watch other animes aswell, such as Bleach, which whole plot contains parts of a whole different culture.
The same goes for Naruto, or any other manga that contains chakra and martial arts.

Or maybe Karate Kid made martial arts into a part of Western culture.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:47 am

Wojak wrote:Can xenophobia really be used to describe someone that prefers his own language when it comes to understanding a movie/tv-series?

No, but then that's not what this thread is about. If you go back to the first post, Corey is talking about people who complain about how other people set the language track on their video games to Japanese. Personal preferences are fine, but as Olivier Hague said, the problem is when you start telling other people what their preferences should be.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:33 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Li'l Lemmy wrote:The dub is where DragonBall came from for many of us, and I personally still have a blast watching it despite that I "know better". Watching with the original Japanese audio gives DragonBall the flavor of something more coherent, full-bodied and altogether better, but only watching the dub gives me that nostalgic high you speak of. And I wouldn't trade that for anything.

I can watch either/or, although usually for different reasons.
Something else I've mentioned is how I never had a single problem "transitioning" to the original Japanese. The music didn't bug me. The voices didn't bug me. The sound of the language didn't bug me. I just accepted it as, "OK... so this is what DBZ *is*" and went from there. I didn't have any strange visceral reaction to it like I'm reading about with a lot of people.

Interesting because the transition for me was easy as well. It too a few minutes to get used to the subtitles and I was all set from there. I was like "This is the original version and it's pretty enjoyable". The music was easy to listen to because I had listened to it in Dragonball.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:14 pm

Herms wrote: No, but then that's not what this thread is about. If you go back to the first post, Corey is talking about people who complain about how other people set the language track on their video games to Japanese. Personal preferences are fine, but as Olivier Hague said, the problem is when you start telling other people what their preferences should be.

Kids like the one Corey showed are everywhere. They are just loud mouth punks who feel the need to troll, cause flame wars and speak their opinions(like its god's) because this is the "internetz". Guys like that aren't called xenophobic, they are simply called "annoying trolls".