#16's death

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:32 pm

That Recoome-Android thing was a dub line.

Dai · Post by **Dai** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:27 pm

In the dub, it is hinted Recoome is a mutant. To my memory, there is no mention of an android anywhere. Though, as usual, I could be wrong.

And said androids such as 16 and 19 don't have any flesh and blood around a skeleton, which is clearly visible whenever another one of their body parts comes flying off.

I don't think there's much of an explanation for the liquid, other than it was added in by Toriyama for dramatic effect, and to create a more distinct association with the android characters.

LegendarySuperSaiyan · Post by **LegendarySuperSaiyan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 7:40 pm

Dai wrote:In the dub, it is hinted Recoome is a mutant. To my memory, there is no mention of an android anywhere. Though, as usual, I could be wrong.

And said androids such as 16 and 19 don't have any flesh and blood around a skeleton, which is clearly visible whenever another one of their body parts comes flying off.

I don't think there's much of an explanation for the liquid, other than it was added in by Toriyama for dramatic effect, and to create a more distinct association with the android characters.

That's not what I mean.

16 has skin, doesn't he? Yeah, he looks like a big, pug ugly human. I'm thinking the "blood" was added for the same reason the skin was; to make him seem more human.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:46 pm

16 doesn't have organic skin, it seems to be just a metal shell that looks like skin.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:47 pm

Deus ex Machina wrote:16 doesn't have organic skin, it seems to be just a metal shell that looks like skin.

Yeah, Cell's tail poked #16's face I believe, and all he got was a loud *thump*

Fuujin · Post by **Fuujin** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:52 pm

1. Recoome is not an android. Only dub Vegeta calls him an "overgrown android" and even that was more of an insult than stating a fact.

2. Recoome IS a mutant. Ginyu's "He may be a mutant like us" line is in the Japanese anime, and even in the manga, if I recall correctly.

3. Artificial Human #16 is an android. Period.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 8:59 pm

Fuujin wrote: 2. Recoome IS a mutant. Ginyu's "He may be a mutant like us" line is in the Japanese anime, and even in the manga, if I recall correctly.

Correct-O

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:54 pm

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
Fuujin wrote: 2. Recoome IS a mutant. Ginyu's "He may be a mutant like us" line is in the Japanese anime, and even in the manga, if I recall correctly.
Correct-O

Not necessarily. It's possible only Ginyu and Jeece were mutants. Though I liked the fanfic that had Barta as a mutant of Zarbon's race in its transformed state.

LegendarySuperSaiyan · Post by **LegendarySuperSaiyan** » Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:18 pm

IMO, Ginyu was a member of Frieza's race, but a mutant. Instead of having a bunch of different transformations, he was born with the ability to bodyswap.

Since this is OT, someone should start a thread on it.

The S · Post by **The S** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:35 am

Then how come we never see him again? Because when they wished everyone Cell killed back to life, Android 17 came back. Why not Android 16? Was that just a plothole?

As I mentioned before, I always assumed he was wished back, but lived his life as a recluse out in the forest or something, so he could be close to nature.

*PINHEAD* · Post by ***PINHEAD*** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 1:23 am

As mentioned quite a lot before, #16 was an android. Since he was a robot, he had no soul, and could not be wished back. Unless, of course, the wish applied to everything...maybe he was reassembled...?

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:21 am

*PINHEAD* wrote:As mentioned quite a lot before, #16 was an android. Since he was a robot, he had no soul, and could not be wished back. Unless, of course, the wish applied to everything...maybe he was reassembled...?

#8, who is stated to be a robot, was ressurected by the Dragon Balls(after all, he wouldn't be alive at the end of Buu Saga if he hadn't been ressurected after the Earth was destroyed), so, I'd think that #16 also was alive. Either that, or a plothole.

Endishiki · Post by **Endishiki** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:04 pm

Concerning 16, anyone else notice how quickly he's forgotten? Concerning he's the catalyst for Gohan's transformation, you'd think they'd at least have some parting thoughts for the Android...

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:28 pm

Neon Z wrote:
*PINHEAD* wrote:As mentioned quite a lot before, #16 was an android. Since he was a robot, he had no soul, and could not be wished back. Unless, of course, the wish applied to everything...maybe he was reassembled...?
#8, who is stated to be a robot, was ressurected by the Dragon Balls(after all, he wouldn't be alive at the end of Buu Saga if he hadn't been ressurected after the Earth was destroyed), so, I'd think that #16 also was alive. Either that, or a plothole.

Was he stated to be 100% Android? He had a scar on his head, and looked like a Frankenstein monster, so I assumed he was an experiment with human parts.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 8:35 pm

Neon Z wrote:#8, who is stated to be a robot, was ressurected by the Dragon Balls(after all, he wouldn't be alive at the end of Buu Saga if he hadn't been ressurected after the Earth was destroyed), so, I'd think that #16 also was alive. Either that, or a plothole.

I believe that #8 was only an android in DragonBall movie 4, The Path to Ultimate Power, because he was going to meet with a very graphic and brutal death at the end. Making him purely mechanical would allow them to get away with a bit more violence, then say if he had been torn to bloody chunks.

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:03 am

I believe that #8 was only an android in DragonBall movie 4, The Path to Ultimate Power, because he was going to meet with a very graphic and brutal death at the end. Making him purely mechanical would allow them to get away with a bit more violence, then say if he had been torn to bloody chunks.

Does anyone happen to have an image of this? Not that I'm morbid or anything, but I'm putting together an image version of the Grand Death List for a website, and this is one of the many I can't seem to find.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:04 pm

I always assumed it was some sort of Super coolant or renewable fuel because the Androids 19 and 16 used energy attacks and such. 16 was an eternal energy model, so his whole system was probably in his head and torso. It could also have been renewable battery fluid, which is most likely. That stuff is sometimes red.

19's came down to his hands because he absorbed energy into his system that way. I always figured that's why when Vegeta ripped his arms off so much came leaking out at the wrists.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:20 pm

Is it really stated that #16 is an eternal energy model? I think that when #17 asked Gero if he was also an eternal energy model (or an absorption one), Gero said he was different from them (and a menace, blah blah blah).

This kinda confuses me, cyborgs are part-human and part-robot and androids are only robot, right? Then, why did someone say they couldn't be called C-16, 17, 18 because they weren't cyborgs?

I think that because #16 was a "full" robot, he couldn't be brought back to life and perhaps #8 was because he might be a cyborg or someone re-organized him

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Seeing what happened after #16's death, I think it's pretty easy to forget about him. I mean, I guess that even ppl that were watching the show forgot about him in the next episodes due to the drama (I know I have).

Neon Z · Post by **Neon Z** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 6:23 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:
Neon Z wrote:#8, who is stated to be a robot, was ressurected by the Dragon Balls(after all, he wouldn't be alive at the end of Buu Saga if he hadn't been ressurected after the Earth was destroyed), so, I'd think that #16 also was alive. Either that, or a plothole.
I believe that #8 was only an android in DragonBall movie 4, The Path to Ultimate Power, because he was going to meet with a very graphic and brutal death at the end. Making him purely mechanical would allow them to get away with a bit more violence, then say if he had been torn to bloody chunks.

At least, in my manga(which is the official Brazilian edition) he states that he is a robot at least once.

number18 · Post by **number18** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:37 pm

Concerning #8, it's kinda weird. Personally, I have the idea that he is probably a strange sort of cyborg, made from human parts, though the parts might have been dead and then ressurrected. Whether that makes him an android or cyborg is really sort of unclear, but I think it would be possible to ressurect him by the dragon either way.

I know in one of the Daizenshuu (I got to page through Mike's and Julian's at Anime Next last year), it lists all the saiyans according to their blood (full, half, quarter), and then on another page it lists the jinzouningen according to type, and actually SAYS what each one is in katakana. For me, there was a shocker on the page, but for the life of me, I can't remember what it said. Julian or Mike, can you help out here?

Alakazam, yes, androids are just robots that resemble humans. Cyborgs are humans that are augmented in some fashion. The augmentations don't always have to include mechanical parts, as we typically imagine. It can be through drugs or hormones as well. I wrote a longer explanation of the whole subject here:
http://www.lovelycyborg.com/misconceptions.shtml