A dreadful question... (Broli/SSJ2)

[Kaboom]

That sounds well-thought out, although it makes me wonder what Toei was thinking when they wrote the tenth film.

"Okay, whatever happens, don't let Gohan go Super Saiyan 2! If he does, then Goku can't save the day! Goku Goku Goku Goku Goku Goku~!"

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

That sounds well-thought out, although it makes me wonder what Toei was thinking when they wrote the tenth film.

"Okay, whatever happens, don't let Gohan go Super Saiyan 2! If he does, then Goku can't save the day! Goku Goku Goku Goku Goku Goku~!"

Bu-bu-but in movie 9....Gohan went super Saiyan 2 and Goku wasn't around(...I don't think anyway...haven't watch that movie in like forever).

[Kaboom]

Bu-bu-but in movie 9....Gohan went super Saiyan 2 and Goku wasn't around(...I don't think anyway...haven't watch that movie in like forever).

Gohan only went SSj2 in Movie 9 after Goku actually broke the laws of the universe dividing the living realm from the dead in order to save Gohan from being killed by Bojack and then pep-talk the kid into not holding back anymore.

[Thanos]

I think he's a little stronger then SSJ Vegerot.

...Uhh?

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

[NeptuneKai]

I think he's a little stronger then SSJ Vegerot.

...Uhh?

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

(Vegetto isn't the correct name unless you go around calling Kakarot "Kakarotto".)

[Metalwario64]

I think he's a little stronger then SSJ Vegerot.

...Uhh?

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

(Vegetto isn't the correct name unless you go around calling Kakarot "Kakarotto".)

Why Vegerot? Why not just omit the O like in Kakarrot? Why not Vegett?

[NeptuneKai]

...Uhh?

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

(Vegetto isn't the correct name unless you go around calling Kakarot "Kakarotto".)

Why Vegerot? Why not just omit the O like in Kakarrot? Why not Vegett?

You totally could call him that. I just like the sound of Vegerot better.

[Herms]

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

Uh, why?

(Vegetto isn't the correct name unless you go around calling Kakarot "Kakarotto".)

Well, I don't see any particular reason not to use "Kakarotto". It distracts from the name pun, but so does the extra "ka" at the front of the name. "Never leave off a 'to' without a good reason", that's my mot.

[Conan the SSJ]

Vegerot is an official, legit "translation" of Viz's, so why can't it be used? No one complains about Saiyan Professor or myself spelling Kakarrot in the style of Mr. Simmons' translation. What makes Vegerot any different, aside from its odd spelling and how it comes off the tongue.

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

In Toriyama's manga telling, we never see base-Vegetto fight, therefore we can't fairly determine his pre-SSJ power. The entire episode battle between his base form and Super Buu is pure filler, which I presume discounts it from "Toriyama-canon". The best that can be given as proof is Elder Kaioshin's "You probably won't need Super Saiyan" and even with that, it's pure assumption how powerful he is. If anything, the manga implies that base-Vegetto is either less powerful or even with Super Buu, as he transforms immediately after being merged.

[NeptuneKai]

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

Uh, why?

Because his power is maximum.

[Bussani]

"Never leave off a 'to' without a good reason", that's my mot.

This made me groan. But in a good way.

In Toriyama's manga telling, we never see base-Vegetto fight, therefore we can't fairly determine his pre-SSJ power. The entire episode battle between his base form and Super Buu is pure filler, which I presume discounts it from "Toriyama-canon". The best that can be given as proof is Elder Kaioshin's "You probably won't need Super Saiyan" and even with that, it's pure assumption how powerful he is. If anything, the manga implies that base-Vegetto is either less powerful or even with Super Buu, as he transforms immediately after being merged.

To be fair, Elder Kaioshin said they probably wouldn't need Super Saiyajin when a) he thought it would be Gohan and Goku fusing, and b) Buu hadn't absorbed Gohan yet, and thus was nowhere near as powerful as he ended up.

I'm not saying that means Gokuhan would be stronger than Vegetto. People can interpret it however they want.

[Herms]

In Toriyama's manga telling, we never see base-Vegetto fight, therefore we can't fairly determine his pre-SSJ power.

Still, wouldn't the fact that in the manga Vegetto immediately turns Super Saiyan imply that in his regular form he was no match for Boo?

For some reason, in my head I frequently refer to Mike as "Vegerot". Not "Vegerot EX", just "Vegerot". And I never refer to the actual character as that. Don't ask me why. I blame soda pop.

[finnishjuoppo]

If we look the budokai 3, we notice that Broly's Lssj ki bars reises as much as ssj3 Goku's, so in the way it makes sense, Lssj puts out the full potential of a saiyan just like ssj3, but unlike ssh3, it doesn't drain much energy. But this is only my opinion and speculation. I think that mystic Gohan could kill Broly, but proove me wrong.

[Teclo]

Well, I've said similar things before, but it can be really hard to compare character's strength between different fights/arcs because of how inconsistent things can be. I mean, we've been shown how much characters have to hold back to even do things like not break a glass by holding it (Cell Games era) and the whole punch machine thing, when #18 held back a lot but still registered a punch about 7 times higher than Mr Satan's.

So was Broly meant to be the Master of Holding Back when he was beating up Videl? How did he not at least break her leg or arm? Chiaotzu would have done more damage to her than LSSJ Broly did. Furthermore, we've seen characters rain punches down on a more powerful opponent without any effect at all, but Videl throws a Dragon Ball at Broly and he actually recoils a little from it. That's insane... An 18-year-old human girl managed to make Broly flinch with a hit from a ball? The reasoning for him being around Perfect Cell's level in movie 10 makes sense to me, but then I really can't imagine Cell flinching if a teenage girl threw a glass ball at him.

[Saiyavenger2941]

Well, I've said similar things before, but it can be really hard to compare character's strength between different fights/arcs because of how inconsistent things can be. I mean, we've been shown how much characters have to hold back to even do things like not break a glass by holding it (Cell Games era) and the whole punch machine thing, when #18 held back a lot but still registered a punch about 7 times higher than Mr Satan's.

So was Broly meant to be the Master of Holding Back when he was beating up Videl? How did he not at least break her leg or arm? Chiaotzu would have done more damage to her than LSSJ Broly did. Furthermore, we've seen characters rain punches down on a more powerful opponent without any effect at all, but Videl throws a Dragon Ball at Broly and he actually recoils a little from it. That's insane... An 18-year-old human girl managed to make Broly flinch with a hit from a ball? The reasoning for him being around Perfect Cell's level in movie 10 makes sense to me, but then I really can't imagine Cell flinching if a teenage girl threw a glass ball at him.

Actually, that was a crystal, but the idea stands. I think that really shows, not that Broly is weak, but that Videl is much much stronger than you'd think. At least in my superbiased Videl fanboy POV.

[Gorrilian]

Why don't we go by the feats that the characters performed instead of trying to stack characters on top of each other across two different canons.

I'd say that Broly demonstrates his power and speed when he destroys a planet.

I'd say that his (energy) attacks were traveling at a fraction of the speed of light for the most part, considering how fast it got to the planet. I'd say that it was about a little bit farther than the moon (or something like that) and light takes a little more than a second to go that distance. Lets just say that he goes at a tenth the speed of light...or at least his attacks do. I'm not sure that this really applies to a work of fiction or if any one of the characters was fast enough to stop that blast, but it may be something to consider.

Then again, Piccolo's blast in Toriyama's Canon did reach the moon in what seemed to be a second or two and Radditz had already dodged something similar, so I'm not sure if going a fraction of the speed of light even beats Radditz, even if the other character is a (Legendary) Super Saiyan.

As for the destruction of the planet itself. We can assume that the blast is at least a whole lot more volitile than Freeza's, as it destroyed the planet about sixty times faster than Feeza. I'm not sure if that means his attack is 60 times stronger, but i'm not going to cut that possibility out, quite yet.

Not to say that Cell can't destroy a planet, but come on. The blast that killed him failed to do much of any damage to the area, even when the blaster was told not to hold back on the blastee.

If we put logic into this, which seems kind of hard, considering none of this is really realistic, then I'd say that Super Perfect Cell was about as much of a threat as Freeza, though, of course, at least ten to twenty five times more powerful than the former. I'd say Broly is a much bigger threat as his blasts tear the planet apart instead of relying on the core to detonate, putting him at around at least 15 to 50 times more powerful/dangerous than Freeza. As their ranges over lap, Broly and Super Perfect Cell, in my eyes, seem to be around the same strength as far as reeking havoc and destruction goes.

Do you get what i'm saying, or at least what i'm trying to say?

[Bussani]

Do you get what i'm saying, or at least what i'm trying to say?

Yes.

By the way, Cell implies that his final Kamehameha could destroy the whole solar system. That's a bit bigger than Freeza or Broly's planet smashing attacks, I think.

[Rocketman]

By the way, Cell implies that his final Kamehameha could destroy the whole solar system. That's a bit bigger than Freeza or Broly's planet smashing attacks, I think.

It's also completely bullshit.

[finnishjuoppo]

...Uhh?

Vegetto, even in his base form, is apparently the strongest "Toriyama-canon" character in the Dragon Ball universe.

No, I disagree. Brolly is stronger then Vegerot for sure.

(Vegetto isn't the correct name unless you go around calling Kakarot "Kakarotto".)

Why Vegerot? Why not just omit the O like in Kakarrot? Why not Vegett?

in the finnish version of manga, Vegetto is called Veget