Was The Buu Saga Really That Bad?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:03 am

Rocketman wrote:How so?

I suppose because most of the characters in question ARE idiots, and are mainly just acting in-character. Especially the Saiyans, who tend to think with their muscles and make bad decisions if it means they'll get to fight more.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:29 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Rocketman wrote:How so?
I suppose because most of the characters in question ARE idiots, and are mainly just acting in-character. Especially the Saiyans, who tend to think with their muscles and make bad decisions if it means they'll get to fight more.

*pops a blood vessel* Maybe I should let Rocketman answer this one since the question was directed to you, but I've heard this excuse before way too many times (not only for dragonball but other shows and comics as well).

"They're all stupid so this excuse every major fault in the story." That is, and pardon my french, bullshit. The Buu saga made one big build up after another just so it could fall flat later. What was the point of SSj 3 if it wasn't strong enough to defeat Buu? What was the point Gotenks since all he did really was fuck around? What was the point the whole Mystic Gohan hype if he was going to be absorbed by Buu?! Gohan is not that stupid! I'm sure he learned his lesson after the whole Cell incident! Hell, he's probably the smartest character among the bunch.

If every character in DBZ were really honest to god THAT stupid then no one deserve to live. Not. One! Hell, Rocketman could probably explain this better than I.

B · Post by B » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:24 am

Gotenks is a gag. Get a sense of humor, dudes.

SS3 and Gohan however, are pretty much... yeah, useless. SS3 could have possibly just been a parody of how the transformation had become(and for all intents and purposes, probably was from the start) an asspull, but I've got nothing to back that up.

And then there's that rumor Gohan was suppsoed to save the world, but Toriyama thought the character just wasn't suited for it. It goes in lnie with what happened, at least. Hell, Gohan sitting on his ass was probably planned out so Gotenks could have solo panel time, and he was never actually going to get a second chance at hero.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:45 am

I gotta' agree with EVERYTHING Rocketman said, he pretty much nailed this one. The Boo saga plain sucks, there's no tension, no feeling of "oh shit we gotta' act NOW!" because the enemy simply isn't frightening, because he ahs absolutely no personality. He's pretty much a pink Broli.
The heroes make me fuckin' angry in this arc too.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:02 am

B wrote:Gotenks is a gag. Get a sense of humor, dudes.

SS3 and Gohan however, are pretty much... yeah, useless. SS3 could have possibly just been a parody of how the transformation had become(and for all intents and purposes, probably was from the start) an asspull, but I've got nothing to back that up.

And then there's that rumor Gohan was suppsoed to save the world, but Toriyama thought the character just wasn't suited for it. It goes in lnie with what happened, at least. Hell, Gohan sitting on his ass was probably planned out so Gotenks could have solo panel time, and he was never actually going to get a second chance at hero.

I heard a rumour that Toriyama intended for Gohan to be the hero by killing Super Boo as planned before Boo absorbed Gotenks, Piccolo and himself. It's probably a rumor, but I for one would've been disappointed by that outcome. Not because I think that Gohan is unsuited for the hero role, he is, there's no reason for him not to have some glory other than his attitude towards fighting. Because it would've been disappointing to have an ending where the hero completely outclasses the villain in power, rather than a dramatic ending. But like I said, it's just a rumour, and I think it was Herms or someone else that said Toriyama only ever stated he intended to end the series after the Pilaf Saga (correct me if I'm wrong).

Then there's the fact that if Gohan was to kill Boo, they'd probably have to reuse the Cell Saga scenario and have Gohan achieve an even bigger power boost, and that just wouldn't work. 'Cos that'd be the only way to make it dramatic.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:05 pm

B wrote:Gotenks is a gag. Get a sense of humor, dudes.

Goten's (and later Trunks') entire family was killed by Buu and he cares so little he prefers to play around rather than avenge them.

OH HO HO HA HA HA LOL LOL LOL

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:25 pm

The one thing I don't like about the Buu saga that it's feel rush to me since I feel like they should have finish off Buu a bit longer then one day.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:27 pm

I liked buu saga a lot actually. It was epic crazy shit and very unpredictable.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:32 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:The one thing I don't like about the Buu saga that it's feel rush to me since I feel like they should have finish off Buu a bit longer then one day.

Well, the RoSaT came into play. And... I suppose it technically was more than one day, since it took 24 hours for Gohan's powerup, and there was time before and after.
But I think it was so fast in-universe because it had to be; Buu could have done far more in one day than just destroy the Earth, as Kid Buu demonstrates.
If it had gone on longer, it would have had to have been an epic galaxy-spanning battle of unmatchable proportions...
... Buu went straight to the top instead.

B · Post by B » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:33 pm

It was a day and a half, if that matters. <_<

goku the krump dancer · Post by **goku the krump dancer** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:44 pm

My only problem with the Buu saga is that the diaolog is so screwed around that it created the whole whos stronger than who debates between
the heroes and Buu himself.

Commander_Red · Post by **Commander_Red** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:25 pm

Love it.

And Goku vs Kid Boo in the anime.... Beautiful.

I get annoyed when people say it all should have ended after Freeza.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:41 pm

Commander_Red wrote:I get annoyed when people say it all should have ended after Freeza.

..Well they kinda' should.
Goku vs Kid Boo in the anime was nicely animated.. shame it wasn't very exciting in the manga.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:23 pm

The Freeza saga would have been a terrible place to end the story. There's absolutely no closure, Vegeta's alive ON EARTH with no Goku to keep him in line, Gohan didn't do anything important at all except maybe knock Radditz back, Vegeta probably would have killed everybody so no wishing back their friends which was the whole goal in the first place.

The Cell arc would have been a terrible place to end the story too because it was a terrible portion of the story.

Buu saga for the win. For life. Buu saga rocks my socks (and I haven't said that since I was, like, ten, so stuff you, pootyheads.)

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:45 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:The Freeza saga would have been a terrible place to end the story. There's absolutely no closure, Vegeta's alive ON EARTH with no Goku to keep him in line, Gohan didn't do anything important at all except maybe knock Radditz back, Vegeta probably would have killed everybody so no wishing back their friends which was the whole goal in the first place.

Vegeta wouldn't have been revived if the series ended with the Freeza Saga.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:17 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:The Freeza saga would have been a terrible place to end the story. There's absolutely no closure, Vegeta's alive ON EARTH with no Goku to keep him in line, Gohan didn't do anything important at all except maybe knock Radditz back, Vegeta probably would have killed everybody so no wishing back their friends which was the whole goal in the first place.
Vegeta wouldn't have been revived if the series ended with the Freeza Saga.

You think they would have remembered to leave Vegeta behind in the heat of the moment? You know Dende made that wish right as Freeza was flying toward him.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:36 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Innagadadavida wrote:The Freeza saga would have been a terrible place to end the story. There's absolutely no closure, Vegeta's alive ON EARTH with no Goku to keep him in line, Gohan didn't do anything important at all except maybe knock Radditz back, Vegeta probably would have killed everybody so no wishing back their friends which was the whole goal in the first place.
Vegeta wouldn't have been revived if the series ended with the Freeza Saga.
You think they would have remembered to leave Vegeta behind in the heat of the moment? You know Dende made that wish right as Freeza was flying toward him.

I think he's getting at Piccolo dying before the Namekians were brought back to life...

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:59 pm

I suspect the tantô had a lot of impact on the story, and I simply don't like the last one's inputs. 'Looks like Gokû became a jerk right when the guy showed up, for example.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:48 pm

I've never understood why people think that the Frieza saga ending with everyone dead besides Gohan would be a good ending. That's terrible and would HAVE to be something that would be followed up on.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:58 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I've never understood why people think that the Freeza saga ending with everyone dead besides Gohan would be a good ending. That's terrible and would HAVE to be something that would be followed up on.

Well, yeah: it's a shônen manga. You don't end a story like that.
But we're talking about American readers, so, y'know, dark is good.