End of Z Yamcha

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:58 pm

Was he stronger than Cell at this point?

-In the Other World Tournament; Pikkon and Olibu were fighting and Olibu but with a great effort.
-Pikkon went to Hell and took out Cell with a firey kick.
-Later on in Other World we see Yamcha fighting and winning against Olibu.

So if Olibu=Pikkon and Pikkon>Cell and Yamcha>Olibu; does that make Yamcha>Cell?

Although I am not sure what all of which was filler.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:00 pm

TheNamek wrote:Was he stronger than Cell at this point?

-In the Other World Tournament; Paikuhan and Olibu were fighting and Olibu but with a great effort.
-Paikuhan went to Hell and took out Cell with a firey kick.
-Later on in Other World we see Yamcha fighting and winning against Olibu.

So if Olibu=Paikuhan and Paikuhan>Cell and Yamcha>Olibu; does that make Yamcha>Cell?

1. Yamcha only fought Olibu in filler.

2. Yes, you could say that Yamcha was stronger than Cell at that point, but only in the anime. In the manga, it is very likely that he is weaker than Cell.

By the way, the whole of the Otherworld Tournament, Paikuhan and Olibu is filler.

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:03 pm

Oh okay. I like that filler then, it didnt just drop Yamcha off the planet after the Cell games.

Kroni_Hunter · Post by **Kroni_Hunter** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:50 am

TheNamek wrote: So if Olibu=Paikuhan and Paikuhan>Cell and Yamcha>Olibu; does that make Yamcha>Cell?

You better hope VegettoEX doesn't come to this thread.

And no, Yamcha is nowhere near as strong as Cell, not by any stretch of the imagination. He's not even as strong as Frieza. He would be lucky to take out the Ginyu Force, or Zarbon.
The evidence: Yamcha got taken out with one blow even by Gero, and ever since then he became a complete wuss. He completely gave up and even quit training after that point, so we can only assume he got weaker than he already was.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:49 am

Kroni_Hunter wrote:
TheNamek wrote: So if Olibu=Paikuhan and Paikuhan>Cell and Yamcha>Olibu; does that make Yamcha>Cell?
You better hope VegettoEX doesn't come to this thread.

And no, Yamcha is nowhere near as strong as Cell, not by any stretch of the imagination. He's not even as strong as Freeza. He would be lucky to take out the Ginyu Force, or Zarbon.
The evidence: Yamcha got taken out with one blow even by Gero, and ever since then he became a complete wuss. He completely gave up and even quit training after that point, so we can only assume he got weaker than he already was.

Added to this, for an in-story answer, note that Cell doesn't have his body in Hell, and the whole point of Cell is to show he's so powerful BECAUSE of his body. In Hell he just has spirit-produced strength, so Paikuhan>Hell Cell doesn't necessarily mean Paikuhan>Super Perfect Cell.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:51 am

TheNamek wrote:So if Olibu=Paikuhan and Paikuhan>Cell and Yamcha>Olibu; does that make Yamcha>Cell?

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omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:26 pm

The answer to your question of is Yamcha Stronger than Cell is....

No.

I am even taking into account Yamcha at his peak.

If I had to wager a guess, I would say that Yamcha at his peak of power, not including filler, is probably around the strength of Vegeta during the Ginyu Force fight. So somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-30 thousand.

I know that seems pathetically low, But if it makes you feel any better, Krillin and Tenshinhan where probably only a bit higher.

But you also have to understand that for a human that power level is outrageously high. think about the fact that Kame Senin was for the longest time the strongest fighter in the world with a power level cruising around 200 at it's peak. That's right, 200. And now think about the fact that Krillin, Ten and Yamcha all surpassed 10,000. That's insanity.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:30 pm

By the way, we know Yamcha doesn't reach Cell levels of strength for a fact: Boo saga Piccolo isn't in the same league as Kaioshin, who isn't as strong as SSJ Gohan, who is in the same league as Cell. So if Kaioshin isn't as powerful as Cell, Piccolo is weaker than Kaioshin, and Yamcha is weaker than Piccolo, we know Yamcha is weaker than Cell.

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:37 pm

Dayspring wrote:By the way, we know Yamcha doesn't reach Cell levels of strength for a fact: Boo saga Piccolo isn't in the same league as Kaioshin, who isn't as strong as SSJ Gohan, who is in the same league as Cell. So if Kaioshin isn't as powerful as Cell, Piccolo is weaker than Kaioshin, and Yamcha is weaker than Piccolo, we know Yamcha is weaker than Cell.

Whoa, so Yamcha is stronger than Piccolo in the anime, then? Just shows how much sense it makes.

And I personally think canon Yamcha would be stronger than suppressed final form Freeza.

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:42 pm

Piccolo is stronger than Yamcha by far; especially after fusing with Kami.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:56 pm

smiley wrote:
Dayspring wrote:By the way, we know Yamcha doesn't reach Cell levels of strength for a fact: Boo saga Piccolo isn't in the same league as Kaioshin, who isn't as strong as SSJ Gohan, who is in the same league as Cell. So if Kaioshin isn't as powerful as Cell, Piccolo is weaker than Kaioshin, and Yamcha is weaker than Piccolo, we know Yamcha is weaker than Cell.
Whoa, so Yamcha is stronger than Piccolo in the anime, then? Just shows how much sense it makes.

And I personally think canon Yamcha would be stronger than suppressed final form Freeza.

What? I said Picolo is stronger.

Piccolo is stronger than Yamcha in the android saga, gets tons stronger, but never reaches Cell levels of strength. Yamcha starts off weaker than Piccolo in the android saga, and then retires.

Do I think Yamcha is strong? Sure. 60 million BP strong. No. My guess is one of Freeza's earlier forms.

smiley · Post by **smiley** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:03 pm

Dayspring wrote: What? I said Picolo is stronger.

Yeah, but going by the anime, Yamcha is stronger than Perfect Cell. Which makes him stronger than Piccolo, by extension.

Piccolo is stronger than Yamcha in the android saga, gets tons stronger, but never reaches Cell levels of strength. Yamcha starts off weaker than Piccolo in the android saga, and then retires.

That's why I said the anime makes no sense.

Post by **Herms** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:09 pm

Didn't Paikuhan only take off his weights to fight Goku though? I think it's a leap to assume that Olibu was in the same league as him.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:20 pm

I wouldn't put Yamcha above Saiyan Saga Vegeta (i.e. 18,000).

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:27 pm

Vegeta said the new fused Piccolo was stronger than his Super Saiyan form; and theres no way Yamcha is above a Super Saiyan.

Son Wukong · Post by **Son Wukong** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:38 pm

Rocketman wrote:I wouldn't put Yamcha above Saiyan Saga Vegeta (i.e. 18,000).

Kroni_Hunter wrote:He would be lucky to take out the Ginyu Force, or Zarbon.

This is just ridiculous. He's weak but not that weak.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:41 pm

Son Wukong wrote:This is just ridiculous. He's weak but not that weak.

What does he do that makes you think otherwise?

B · Post by B » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:38 pm

Gonna have to agree with Rocketman. Yeah, he got training from North Kaio, but I doubt he improved that much since Goku was going toe to toe with Ginyu even after Kaio AND gravity training.

I'd imagine Yamcha by the end of the series to be around Nappa's level, ideally.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:52 pm

B wrote:Gonna have to agree with Rocketman. Yeah, he got training from North Kaio, but I doubt he improved that much since Goku was going toe to toe with Ginyu even after Kaio AND gravity training.

I'd imagine Yamcha by the end of the series to be around Nappa's level, ideally.

I think it depends how strong one is when they reach Kaio. 5 days (or less?) under 10g, and Piccolo went from 3,500 to at least over 18,000: he knows Vegeta is stronger, but Piccolo feels he'd be a match for someone stronger-Vegeta is afraid of. Yamcha spent about the same amount of time at Kaio's as Goku did, and got there a lot stronger than Goku did as well.

Tack on four years of training to that, three of which were intensive. I think he's impressive enough, but not to a point where it matters by that point. I like to think that Tenshinhan vs Cell showed us that it's possible for humans to become crazy powerful, too.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:56 pm

Dayspring wrote:I think it depends how strong one is when they reach Kaio. 5 days (or less?) under 10g, and Piccolo went from 3,500 to at least over 18,000: he knows Vegeta is stronger, but Piccolo feels he'd be a match for someone stronger-Vegeta is afraid of.

Piccolo had no idea how strong Vegeta was. He was dead before Vegeta cut loose, wasn't able to watch the fight, and doesn't see any of the Namek battles until he arrives.

Yamcha spent about the same amount of time at Kaio's as Goku did, and got there a lot stronger than Goku did as well.

Prove it. This is Yamcha we're talking about here.

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