Goku and Android 18's Sword Resistance

[otakutrevan]

There seems to be some kind of belief among Daizex enthusiasts that Son Goku and Android 18's flesh can be cut open with swords, UNLESS they have a Ki barrier around them. I believe this is complete ludicrous.

Son Goku was shot in the head by Bulma as a child with a very low, albeit high power level compared to the average human. Did he have a ki shield around his body? No. So if a bullet did not go throw his body, why would a sword be any different.

Also as a infant even with the PL of 1 he managed to survive gravity 10 times that of earth as a child. Could a human with a
PL of 1 withstand this? No, it in impossible. They would be crushed. Saiyans are just naturally tough point blank.

Yes android 18 is a HUMAN and yes she uses energy other than normal ki, but her human body is able to cope with the stress of moving/flying in directions up to hundreds of miles an hour, possibly even faster without ripping apart. Discuss...

[Herms]

..."Daizex enthusiast"?

Can't say I've ever heard anything about this "ki barrier" stuff before.

[Metalwario64]

ludacris.

What does some rapper have to do with anything?

[otakutrevan]

I have read much of this ki barrier talk. They speak as if Goku was walking around in his base form I could shoot him and kill him.

[Kaboom]

The characters' toughness and resistance against attacks is determined by how much ki power they're currently channeling. We've seen time and time again that if you're not powered up, you can be hurt by someone weaker than you.

That said, when Goku blocked Trunks' sword, he was a Super Saiyan. He had a crapton of power coursing through his entire body, including his skin, hair, etc. That allowed him to resist the sword when he focused. Leads me to wonder how the sword worked against Freeza, who had to have at least had a BP of several dozen million at that time. Perhaps with "sharp" attacks and objects, it takes extra effort to put up a resistance, and Freeza was caught by surprise...

18's power supposedly works differently. She doesn't have natural Ki like everyone else, and we don't know if it's channeled in the same way as everyone else.

[Innagadadavida]

What does some (c)rapper have to do with anything?

Uhh... You do know that it is a real word and the context it was used in was appropriate for what he meant. In fact, you calling him a "(c)rapper" seems to insinuate that you don't like him, however instantly associating the word with Christopher Bridges' work and bringing it up is counterintuitive to the point you attempted to present.

[otakutrevan]

Well lets be honest here. Akira wasn't exactly one to go deep into plots and explanations, and with various contradictions. I just dont believe I could assassinate Goku in his sleep with a butter knife. Just sayin. Also freeza being killed by the sword that broke on andriod 18 is also hilarious.

[TheNamek]

As a child Goku was hit in the head with an axe and it shattered the metal.

Its just skin/strength resistance.

[Metalwario64]

What does some (c)rapper have to do with anything?

Uhh... You do know that it is a real word.

"Ludicrous" is a real word. "Ludacris" is a rapper.

I called him a "(c)rapper" because I hate rap.

however instantly associating the word with Christopher Bridges' work and bringing it up is counterintuitive to the point you attempted to present.

Uh... Who? What?

It was just a joke...

[otakutrevan]

As a child Goku was hit in the head with an axe and it shattered the metal.

Its just skin/strength resistance.

This is what I'm trying to say. As one becomes more powerful and their PL rises, i believe their resistance rises.

[Hujio]

I'd like to point out that anything taken from the first 23 chapters (13 episodes) of DragonBall shouldn't count in this argument. It was a gag manga for goodness sake! The axe shattered because it was funny... and Goku got a big bump on his head from it.

[Rocketman]

Son Goku was shot in the head by bulma as a child with a very low, albiet high power level compared to the average human. Did he have a ki shield around his body? No. So if a bullet did not go throw his body, why would a sword be any different. Also as a infant even with the PL of 1 he managed to survive gravity 10 times that of earth as a child. Could a human with a
PL of 1 withstand this? No, it in impossible. They would be crushed. Saiyans are just naturally tough point blank.

The second question answers the first. Goku is a Saiyan, a race evolved to survive in gravity that would crush anything that's ever walked on the Earth. Their bones are stronger than concrete, their hearts able to pump harder than an oil well, their muscles so dense they can move those incredible bones with ease. (Honestly, Goku and Vegeta should be cracking the ground just when they walk on it).

9mm bullets have bounced off human skulls in the real world too.

[otakutrevan]

The second question answers the first. Goku is a Saiyan, a race evolved to survive in gravity that would crush anything that's ever walked on the Earth. Their bones are stronger than concrete, their hearts able to pump harder than an oil well, their muscles so dense they can move those incredible bones with ease. (Honestly, Goku and Vegeta should be cracking the ground just when they walk on it).

9mm bullets have bounced off human skulls in the real world too.

I agree with this. Regardless if Goku's Power is 1 or over 9000, average weapons shouldnt harm him.

[Bussani]

Akira

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I just dont believe I could assassinate Goku in his sleep with a butter knife. Just sayin. Also freeza being killed by the sword that broke on andriod 18 is also hilarious.

Trunks' sword, in Trunks' hands, is a bit different to a butter knife.

Ki obviously affects your resistance, even if it's naturally high to begin with. Kuririn was only able to harm Vegeta when he purposely lowered his ki as far as possible. Goku focused ki to his finger before using it to block Trunks' sword. I wouldn't be surprised if Trunks' sword strike was enhanced by focusing his ki into the strike, too; that's the sort of explanation other shows would use. It was Cold's mistake to think that Trunks only beat Freeza because of the sword.

Take a look at the Ginyu Force, as another example. Vegeta, Kuririn and Gohan could barely scratch them when they were standing, but once Goku knocked them out, Vegeta killed them with ease. Bracing yourself and focusing your ki makes all the difference.

Personally, I find it hard to imagine a knife just bouncing off Goku if he was asleep. He's not Superman. Needles don't snap when you try to stick them in him, as far as we know. It's not about creating a barrier around your skin or anything, it's just that focusing your ki into a particular body part will strengthen it.

We have no idea how the Androids work. That's the real question. Maybe it's the same sort of thing, but with a different energy source.

[otakutrevan]

I just refuse to believe Goku can be killed with conventional weapons.

[Innagadadavida]

It was just a joke...

My post was too. More or less. I should have used one of these:

[Miracles]

..."Daizex enthusiast"?

Can't say I've ever heard anything about this "ki barrier" stuff before.

Thank you.
There is no such thing as a "Ki barrier," that right there is fan made.

[Herms]

Well, 17, Cell, and Vegetto make barriers out of ki, but those are big round things surrounding their bodies that are pretty hard to miss. So I'm not sure what ki barriers could have to do with 18 breaking Trunks' sword, since we don't see anything like that when it happens.

[Bussani]

Well, 17, Cell, and Vegetto make barriers out of ki, but those are big round things surrounding their bodies that are pretty hard to miss. So I'm not sure what ki barriers could have to do with 18 breaking Trunks' sword, since we don't see anything like that when it happens.

I think otakutrevan just has the wrong idea about what people were talking about, or they worded it wrong. It's about strengthening part of or all of your body using your ki. Mind over matter, brace yourself for the hit, that sort of thing.

I don't doubt that Saiyans have naturally tougher bodies than humans, but I doubt if Goku was non-Super Saiyan, and not defending himself, that Trunks' sword would just bounce off him or shatter.

These characters aren't Superman, they're martial artists. There's skill involved, not just 'my body is harder than steel'.

[Kaboom]

We've seen for a fact that characters with vastly higher power levels have just tanked powerful blasts from weaker characters. Very often they just stand there, take the hit, and when the dust clears they're uninjured or sometimes aren't even scratched. There's no special forcefield, no effort to parry the shot, or anything.

Examples: Raditz vs Piccolo, Reacoome vs Vegeta, SSj Goku vs 50% Freeza, Super Perfect Cell vs Vegeta, etc...

In that same vein, we've seen the opposite. Powerful character suppresses his or her self too low, less powerful character shows more power than expected, more powerful character gets hurt or almost hurt.

Examples: Kuririn impaling Vegeta on Namek, Cell getting hit by Vegeta's Final Flash and Goku's Warp Kamehameha, Goten and Trunks surprising 18, Goku blocking angry Uub's kick, etc...

It seems obvious that being "powered up" grants some sort of natural resistance against other attacks. Without being in such a state, you're vulnerable.