Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:45 am

Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?
I am waiting for someone who will say a "BIG NO."

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:02 am

Isn't Kinto'un's top speed Mach 2? Gohan could beat it in a race by the Buu saga.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:07 am

Where it was stated that it's mach 2?
I’m still waiting for someone to jump in with the "Bullshit Flag" and will say "this is fiction and not reality."

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:12 am

goodguy777 wrote:Where it was stated that it's mach 2?

I can't seem to find the source of that right now, so someone else will have to confirm it or correct me.

Edit: I think it's from a Toriyama interview..

I’m still waiting for someone to jump in with the "Bullshit Flag" and will say "this is fiction and not reality."

Oh, one of those "Come on, I dare you!" comments. Fun.

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:12 am

.....Is this a serious topic?

Goku moves at the speed of light; which is by far faster.

Isn't that 186,000 miles a second?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:17 am

TheNamek wrote:.....Is this a serious topic?

Goku moves at the speed of light; which is by far faster.

Isn't that 186,000 miles a second?

Nothing in the series states this, and it doesn't make much sense. If they could move that fast, they could travel anywhere on Earth in less than a second.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:25 am

Bussani wrote:
Oh, one of those "Come on, I dare you!" comments. Fun.

Someone here made bullshit about fiction and reality.

Bussani wrote:
Nothing in the series states this, and it doesn't make much sense. If they could move that fast, they could travel anywhere on Earth in less than a second.

No one could travel that fast.
Correct me if I'm wrong but was it stated that Freeza's deathbeam is like a flash of light?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:37 am

goodguy777 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but was it stated that Freeza's deathbeam is like a flash of light?

I don't remember, but you could call lightning a 'flash of light', even though it's not made of light. The Daizenshuu only seems to describe the attack as 'Ki blast from the fingertips', not even using the name Death Beam.

B · Post by B » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:04 am

Toriyama stated everyone by the Artificial Human arc was fatser than sound, sans those who couldn't fly, of course.

Can we stop with these jarringly unproveable, and as a result, undiscussable topics already?

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:08 am

@Bussani- I'm not 100% sure where it says so , but it did say Instant Transmission is that fast; thats how he is able to move much far distances INSTANTLY.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:09 am

B wrote:Can we stop with these jarringly unproveable, and as a result, undiscussable topics already?

Ironically, this one seems less discussable to me because the answer is readily available. Even if a thread is ultimately pointless aside from comparing theories, I still find it interesting seeing how different people interpret things.

B · Post by B » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:21 am

It just seems to me that no one does any sort of pre-game for these discussions. "Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?" Well, what can we say about this? The characters are seen flying at high speeds, and the only gauge we have on that is how fast the background the moving, and THAT'S only in the anime, where, obviously, the scenery would be moving. It's never stated how fast they can fly or run at all. The closest thing to an absolute answer for this question is Gotenks flying around the world mutliple times in the span of thirty minutes, and even then, we can't discern what is an actual ability or what is a gag in this part of the story(Did Buu make that comic book and soda from thin air? Can he make anything from thin air? If not, what two items did he take to make the comic book and the soda? The Space Time Room is virtually empty. Did he walk all the way back to the entrance and turn a shower curtain or something into a soda? They were pretty far away, he'd have to walk all the way over there without Gotenks noticing. Do you see what I'm doing here?)

The answer to the question is "this story runs on plot convenience. Whether it makes sense or not, everything that happens is to move the plot as fast and as simple as possible."

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:36 am

TheNamek wrote:@Bussani- I'm not 100% sure where it says so , but it did say Instant Transmission is that fast; thats how he is able to move much far distances INSTANTLY.

The dub described the technique as turning you into light, traveling to your destination at light speed, then turning back to normal. This isn't anywhere in the Japanese version, though, and makes no sense. Light isn't 'instant'. Even at light speed it would take a long time to get from Earth to Namek, let alone the afterlife.

In the Japanese version, it is literally instant. Like folding space or something.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:50 am

Sound speed is Mach 2 if I'm not mistaken, someone like Radditz would be potentially above Mach 20 going by powerscaling. So I see why not.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:07 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Sound speed is Mach 2 if I'm not mistaken, someone like Radditz would be potentially above Mach 20 going by powerscaling. So I see why not.

The sound barrier is Mach 1.

How did you decide that Raditz would be Mach 20? It seems unlikely to me. We can assume Goku was much faster than Raditz after training at Kaio's, but he still uses Kinto'un to get to the fight; even if he did so to save energy, it would be impractical if he was that much faster than it.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:12 am

Still waiting, oops wrong post sorry.

TheNamek · Post by **TheNamek** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:15 am

Ok then, putting the dub aside; and since the topis DOES include GT; at one point we see Kibito Kai go from Earth to the Tuffle Planet instantly, as one moment he is on a tv monitor in one moment and the next he is on the other planet with everyone else.

Hence, far beyond the speed of sound.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:16 am

Shooting or blasting the moon in a matter of seconds is lightspeed, if not? Then what is it?
Some person here don't take that seriously, those persons limit their knowledge because of "their reality and fiction logic".

Post by **Herms** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:17 am

Bussani wrote:Isn't Kinto'un's top speed Mach 2? Gohan could beat it in a race by the Buu saga.

Mach 1.5, according to Daizenshuu 7. This figure most likely comes from when Goku meets Arale: he says she's as fast as Kinto-un, and in Dr. Slump Arale is said to be able to run at mach 1.5.

B wrote:Toriyama stated everyone by the Artificial Human arc was fatser than sound, sans those who couldn't fly, of course.

Where was this?

TheNamek wrote:Ok then, putting the dub aside; and since the topis DOES include GT; at one point we see Kibito Kai go from Earth to the Tuffle Planet instantly, as one moment he is on a tv monitor in one moment and the next he is on the other planet with everyone else.

I don't think you quite understood what Bussani was saying: the speed of light is actually too slow in real-world terms for teleportation moves like Goku's Teleportation and Kaioshin-Kibito's Kai-Kai, since those allow people to zip from planet to planet and galaxy to galaxy instantly, which not even light can do. But such moves are a different thing from the sort of movement the characters are normally capable of. That's the whole point of those techniques, that they allow the characters to get from place to place much faster than they could just by flying on their own

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:24 am

goodguy777 wrote:I’m still waiting for someone to jump in with the "Bullshit Flag" and will say "this is fiction and not reality."

goodguy777 wrote:Someone here made bullshit about fiction and reality.

Aww... you made a thread just for me, but weren't kind enough to use my name. You know you're talking about me, so you might as well use it. Either way, I'm still touched!

And yes, I did make bullshit. Oops...

goodguy777 wrote:Do you think a DBZGT character is faster than sound?

Well that depends, are they riding on Superman's back, or using a warp drive, FTL, or stargate? 'Cause then it may be possible.

But seriously, if you're pissed at something I said, why don't you just be a man about it and say something. You don't have to taunt me like a child to get a response. I'm sure you had some crazy response ready for me the second I posted. I sure hope it's good. And really, I don't have an issue with your question.

Hujio wrote:And frankly, I'm fine if people want to have these arguments, but don't drag science into it to support your crazy pipe dreams about a fictional character. Don't call it what it isn't, science.

It didn't really use any science, since you just asked if the characters could travel at the speed of sound, which is purely an opinion question. My opinion is "yes", but your opinion may be "no". Who is right? Neither of us, since it's simply an opinion. I'm sure there is a speed of sound in DragonBall, though we have no idea what it is. I mean, you can't really put a number to it, can you? You're also assuming that the speed of sound is slower than the speed of light. I would tend to believe that is probably a correct assumption, but can you prove it? If we're gonna be serious about this discussion, I want something to work with. Actual evidence always helps your case.

B wrote:It just seems to me that no one does any sort of pre-game for these discussions.

Well, that would only make sense, but sadly it appears not. Besides, this thread wasn't actually made to ask a question, just to try to piss people off.

Hellspawn28 wrote:Sound speed is Mach 2 if I'm not mistaken, someone like Radditz would be potentially above Mach 20 going by powerscaling. So I see why not.

Are you sure it's Mach 2? Proof please? Explanation please? Where are these numbers coming from? Make sure you show your work and state your assumptions. Remember, the mach number is dependent on the air temperature, so be sure to state what temperature you're using. Also, what static pressure are you using (which is dependent on what altitude they're flying at)? I know this may seem excessive, but if we're really gonna be scientific about this, completely ignoring the fact that none of this really matters since we have no idea what these numbers actually are in the Dragon World, you might as well pretend to do the "work" right.

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