Post your funny old DBZ beliefs

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:14 pm

I thought Gogeta and Vegito where two sayains that came from Planet Vegeta, and Gogeta would beat Buu.

Post by **Herms** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:41 pm

IncompetentOverlord wrote:I thought Coola appeared in the series.

He appears in GT, if that counts.

I thought Piccolo and Dende were brothers.

I suppose they sort of are, after Piccolo merges with Nail.

IncompetentOverlord · Post by **IncompetentOverlord** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:02 pm

Herms wrote:
IncompetentOverlord wrote:I thought Coola appeared in the series.
He appears in GT, if that counts.

I thought Piccolo and Dende were brothers.
I suppose they sort of are, after Piccolo merges with Nail.

I thought Coola appeared in the original manga

And I thought that Piccolo was Dende's full brother. Like before he merges with anybody.

And I guess Kami could be considered Piccolo's dad, but I personally like to think of Daimao and Junior as the same being, as they shared the same soul.

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:40 am

IncompetentOverlord wrote: I thought Kami was Piccolo's dad.

He is Piccolo's Grandfather in the Arabic dub.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:47 am

Oh, here's a good one: the first time I ever saw the original DB anime, it was the episode early on where Pilaf has a brief dream sequence where he's king of the world. I missed the intro to this segment, or just wasn't paying attention or something, so for awhile I thought that Pilaf really was the ruler of the world at the beginning of the series, and that Goku and co. eventually overthrew him. Also, when I eventually learned more about who Pilaf was, for whatever reason I assumed that he never appeared again after that first story arc.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:47 pm

I also thought Planet Vegeta had Dragon Balls since I remember their was a episode where King Kai was talking about the histroy of the Planet. Their gaurdian was like Kami, and I also thought that Vegeta really did go to earth 23 years ago and kill Gokuu's Grandpa

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:34 am

I mistook the 'next dimension' business for something depressingly creepy. This is from way back when I first caught the show in syndication, pre-Toonami broadcast.

I had seen the first handful of episodes with Raditz, so I knew the basics: what Goku and Piccolo and some others looked like (even if I hadn't learned their names quite yet), that people could get resurrected sometimes if they wanted to, and that guys got sent into 'the Next Dimension' when they got killed. Check. Next, somehow I managed to catch just the tail-end of the episode where characters train in the Room of Spirit and Time. Watched it just in time for the guys to get slaughtered by the Saiyans and be sent back to that room. Since I was late coming to the episode I actually thought that the main characters (Goku, Piccolo, Krillin) were just now getting killed off in the real world again, and that this was the moment when we finally get to see what the afterlife was like for them.

CREEPY. It's a dank, dark room, with only a disturbing ticking clock, and everyone is standing around looking vacant and completely different. Here's Piccolo... except he looks old, serious, and decrepit?! (Unbeknownst to me, that was Kami) Goku is no longer the joyful man from before, he has a much more serious persona... his image is also entirely different, with unkempt hair and plenty of scars. (Also unbeknownst to me, that was Yamcha) And Krillin? Well, he looks the same. That just made the whole ordeal weirder, like there was no set rhyme or reason why everyone's souls looked different after dying, or why their personalities took a total 180. All in some vapid dimension devoid of time.

Then "Piccolo" says that everyone had been standing in this room the entire time, and what they encountered before--even their own demise--was only an illusion separate from their real selves. <Gasp!> Again I misinterpreted, thinking he was referring to everyone's entire lives beforehand. So Goku's whole life, including his days as a husband and father, was an illusion. This scarred man, who didn't even look or act like Goku, was the Real Thing. Weird. Even Goku's personality and ability to age were part of the illusion he had ... until this moment, when they were ultimately cast aside in favor of revealing his true identity. Ditto with Piccolo and the others.

In other words, their entire lives were a lie; heck, the world as they knew it, everyone they knew, and the passage of time itself were lies. Their personas in life merely served as masks or false personalities masquerading in place of their true identities: these solemn, alien, and entirely different people who simply stood and watched alone in this empty eternity, doing nothing. And only by dying could Goku and the others see themselves for who they truly were: empty beings in some empty eternity.

Well "Goku", Krillin and the others vowed anyway to go back and train for the Saiyans. The next time I saw an episode, I saw the real Goku and Piccolo out in the open. It struck me how these guys decided to return to this world and fight for their lives there, even though they had learned that everything and everyone they knew were superficial facades which would all inevitably awake/return to the real dimension where their real personalities exist forever in desolate stillness.

Even when I saw more of the show and realized my error, I still couldn't shake the nihilistic context I had formed in my mind whenever anyone was sent to "The Next Dimension."

Post by **Herms** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:03 am

Wow, that is creepy. It reminds me of The Matrix , only, well, creepier. I love how the early dub's attempt to sugar-coat the idea of death instead gave you an idea of dying and the afterlife much darker than the actual, goofy DB version of those things they were trying to tip-toe around.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:37 am

Ducard wrote:*Awesome*

Well this is a hell of a lot cooler then the actual story.

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:17 pm

Never did I think that Dragon Ball could be transformed to be as complex as something like Neon Genesis, but.....

Ultimate_DB_Fan · Post by **Ultimate_DB_Fan** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:28 pm

Ducard wrote:I mistook the 'next dimension' business for something depressingly creepy. This is from way back when I first caught the show in syndication, pre-Toonami broadcast.

I had seen the first handful of episodes with Raditz, so I knew the basics: what Goku and Piccolo and some others looked like (even if I hadn't learned their names quite yet), that people could get resurrected sometimes if they wanted to, and that guys got sent into 'the Next Dimension' when they got killed. Check. Next, somehow I managed to catch just the tail-end of the episode where characters train in the Room of Spirit and Time. Watched it just in time for the guys to get slaughtered by the Saiyans and be sent back to that room. Since I was late coming to the episode I actually thought that the main characters (Goku, Piccolo, Krillin) were just now getting killed off in the real world again, and that this was the moment when we finally get to see what the afterlife was like for them.

CREEPY. It's a dank, dark room, with only a disturbing ticking clock, and everyone is standing around looking vacant and completely different. Here's Piccolo... except he looks old, serious, and decrepit?! (Unbeknownst to me, that was Kami) Goku is no longer the joyful man from before, he has a much more serious persona... his image is also entirely different, with unkempt hair and plenty of scars. (Also unbeknownst to me, that was Yamcha) And Krillin? Well, he looks the same. That just made the whole ordeal weirder, like there was no set rhyme or reason why everyone's souls looked different after dying, or why their personalities took a total 180. All in some vapid dimension devoid of time.

Then "Piccolo" says that everyone had been standing in this room the entire time, and what they encountered before--even their own demise--was only an illusion separate from their real selves. <Gasp!> Again I misinterpreted, thinking he was referring to everyone's entire lives beforehand. So Goku's whole life, including his days as a husband and father, was an illusion. This scarred man, who didn't even look or act like Goku, was the Real Thing. Weird. Even Goku's personality and ability to age were part of the illusion he had ... until this moment, when they were ultimately cast aside in favor of revealing his true identity. Ditto with Piccolo and the others.

In other words, their entire lives were a lie; heck, the world as they knew it, everyone they knew, and the passage of time itself were lies. Their personas in life merely served as masks or false personalities masquerading in place of their true identities: these solemn, alien, and entirely different people who simply stood and watched alone in this empty eternity, doing nothing. And only by dying could Goku and the others see themselves for who they truly were: empty beings in some empty eternity.

Well "Goku", Krillin and the others vowed anyway to go back and train for the Saiyans. The next time I saw an episode, I saw the real Goku and Piccolo out in the open. It struck me how these guys decided to return to this world and fight for their lives there, even though they had learned that everything and everyone they knew were superficial facades which would all inevitably awake/return to the real dimension where their real personalities exist forever in desolate stillness.

Even when I saw more of the show and realized my error, I still couldn't shake the nihilistic context I had formed in my mind whenever anyone was sent to "The Next Dimension."

That all actually seems rather unique, in some way.

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:07 pm

Wow, that is creepy. It reminds me of The Matrix , only, well, creepier. I love how the early dub's attempt to sugar-coat the idea of death instead gave you an idea of dying and the afterlife much darker than the actual, goofy DB version of those things they were trying to tip-toe around.

Yeah, no kidding. Thanks censors.

It is pretty interesting to consider how younger minds evaluate what they see and hear... For example, there's that one scene in Return of the Jedi when that slave-girl gets killed off screen, and immediately afterwards Jabba the Hut smugly eats some fish or frog creature. Years later I was surprised to learn that a bunch of other people had the exact same misconception about the scene that I did, namely that the slave-girl got turned into the fish so that Jabba could eat her.

Moral of the story, if something isn't explicitly spelled out, kids are extremely creative at filling in the blanks.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:53 pm

Herms wrote:I love how the early dub's attempt to sugar-coat the idea of death instead gave you an idea of dying and the afterlife much darker than the actual, goofy DB version of those things they were trying to tip-toe around.

Would it really have been much different if the dub had said die/kill? It came from him missing the actual afterlife episodes, which isn't the dub's fault.

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:13 pm

Or... is it?!

(No, wait, it isn't.)

Never did I think that Dragon Ball could be transformed to be as complex as something like Neon Genesis, but.....

Trust me, I've got nothing on this guy.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Man I hope that people actually read the comatose theory on Pokemon if they haven't yet - quite a read.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:16 pm

Ducard wrote:this guy.

Coma-mon isn't as good as Time Skip Pokemon.

Which I came up with...

x_bulla_x · Post by **x_bulla_x** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:52 pm

Bura wrote:
Herms wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:So many people complain about GT because "'Adult Trunks' izn't da same!!11"
I think I actually see more people complain about GT Trunks being too much like future Trunks myself. Which I've never really understood; it seems to be based on the idea that there's no reason he'd be more polite as a 23 year old than he would as a 7 year old.
Well, I'm one of those "complainers"... And considering Trunks and Future Trunks were both raised under different circumstances it would seem logical that their two personalities would be different. I mean, I just can't imagine Trunks becoming all polite and humble after being raised by Vegeta.

Admittedly I am too.

F. Trunks had a great deal of responsibility and didn't have any the luxuries that he had in the regular timeline. On top of that, his role model in the future timeline was likely Gohan while present Trunks looked up to Vegeta. Even Bulma's personality seemed a lot more admirable in the future timeline (for the same reason as Trunks I'm sure). Maybe it's just my imagination, but he also appeared to be a lot more confident in the last chapter(when he was 18 years old) than GT Trunks ever was. We really didn't see much of his personality as an adult in Z, but GT Trunks gave me a totally different impression(or maybe that's only because he was reduced to the group's "butt monkey" in GT). I'm not saying he wouldn't be more mature as an adult, but it doesn't make sense for him to have the same attitude as F. Trunks in the present timeline in my opinion.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:12 pm

A question, does most EVERY young DB fan have that moment where tehy think Son and Vegeta are Brothers?

Ununbium · Post by **Ununbium** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:16 pm

DemonRin wrote:A question, does most EVERY young DB fan have that moment where tehy think Son and Vegeta are Brothers?

Well, I did think Raditz was Vegeta if that counts.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:02 pm

DemonRin wrote:A question, does most EVERY young DB fan have that moment where tehy think Son and Vegeta are Brothers?

Probably. I was certainly one of them.