FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:45 am

DemonRin wrote:I'd make a 3-way comparison now, but I'd rather not be yelled at again, so yeah...

I wasn't yelling, I was being 'loudly polite'.

And those caps from the orange brick are resolution reduced.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:51 am

Haseowolf wrote:That's on the list. Uploading the Dragon Book pics ATM in preparation for posting then gonna go back and edit my previous posts with the new scans. Don't worry, I'm hard at work.

[Too excited to sleep! Gotta get some rest soon though. Forgive me, everyone!]

Ah, sorry. Have to keep in mind that you're handling like a dozen other requests for information about this stuff. I shall keep patient!

*sits on her hands*

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:53 am

godofchaos wrote:
DemonRin wrote:I'd make a 3-way comparison now, but I'd rather not be yelled at again, so yeah...
I wasn't yelling, I was being 'loudly polite'.

And those caps from the orange brick are resolution reduced.

Can I please be pointed to actual pics that I might actually use, or should I just use what I think is OK and hold my breath to see if I'm in trouble again?

And throwing "Fucks" into your reply is hardly polite >_>

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:56 am

Okay, here's some Dragon Book pics.

There's a taste of each section there. Don't want to spoil ALL of the fun for you guys when you get it yourselves. Discovering some mysteries by yourselves has got to have some value, right?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:56 am

DemonRin wrote: Can I please be pointed to actual pics that I might actually use, or should I just use what I think is OK and hold my breath to see if I'm in trouble again?

And throwing "Fucks" into your reply is hardly polite >_>

The last batch of pictures Haseo posted are as proper as we can get for our Dragonbox for the time being.

For Japanese Dragonbox look for 640x480.

For orange brick, you want caps that are 853x480 (based on some people doing odd resolutions, 848x480 or 854x480 are also acceptable.)

You want .PNG files.

For Funi releases prior to the orange bricks, you want them to be 640x480.

'thumbs up'

(although if a 4x3 cap is 720x480, you can use it if you convert it to 640x480, assuming you know the source of the image and are relatively sure it's a proper cap and use a resizing filter that shows proper gradients...)

That answer your question?

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:56 am

Damn, this thread gave me mixed emotions lol. At first I was like, "Oh man! This is gonna be so badass!" Then there was the menu... god dammit... 5.1 Funi? Come ON! Followed by clarification that the Japanese audio is 96kbps? And the Toei DBox is 446kbs? (Or... something like that, I'm bad with numbers at the moment)

I knew I'd be pissed if the dub track was 5.1. 5.1 should mean that they would've had room for BOTH dub tracks, only in 2.0. Or at least make one dub track in stereo, and then keep the Japanese track's original bitrate.

I was close to getting upset, and having to regret purchasing this, because it still wasn't THE perfect release.

And then Mr. OriginalBillis threw up some of that funny lookin' widescreen stuff from the bricks. And the my soul was calm again.

This may not be THE most perfect release it could be, but hell, it's the best we've got, and probably the best we're going to get for a long while. And I can't wait to have it for myself soon!

TheLiberator · Post by **TheLiberator** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:57 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:Here's a quick video comparison (FUNi, DBox):

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Haseowolf wrote: From what I could see, the Japanese track is only 96kbps stream, but it did sound quite full and clear.
So I assume the Japanese DBOX had more kbps, then? Not sure exactly what it is though.
The Dragon Box (from Japan) is 448kbps.

Wow, FUNI actually made it look better than the Japanese DVDs. There's less video noise now. I'm impressed. I remember when Mike was discussing the whole video quality issue in the podcast, he was saying that they aren't using the exact same video as the Japanese DVDs, because they were actually getting the masters from that remastering for the DVD. Well, for the first time since 2003, we have better releases of Dragon Ball than Japan (We had Dragon Ball on DVD, but they didn't) I can't wait to get my Dragon Box in the mail!

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:59 am

Those pictures have me totally jazzed to get this set. It looks like Funimation is finally showing DBZ some respect.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:00 am

DemonRin wrote:
godofchaos wrote:
DemonRin wrote:I'd make a 3-way comparison now, but I'd rather not be yelled at again, so yeah...
I wasn't yelling, I was being 'loudly polite'.

And those caps from the orange brick are resolution reduced.
Can I please be pointed to actual pics that I might actually use, or should I just use what I think is OK and hold my breath to see if I'm in trouble again?

And throwing "Fucks" into your reply is hardly polite >_>

Eep! Cool down a little, man. I know you feel gipped, but there's no point in going back to the same thing repeatedly. If you're really that upset, couldn't you just take it into PMs?

Obviously I'm no moderator, but... c'mon, Haseo's in the middle of bringing us something awesome; do we really need bickering about this and that in the middle of all of this?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:01 am

TheLiberator wrote: Wow, FUNI actually made it look better than the Japanese DVDs. There's less video noise now. I'm impressed. I remember when Mike was discussing the whole video quality issue in the podcast, he was saying that they aren't using the exact same video as the Japanese DVDs, because they were actually getting the masters from that remastering for the DVD. Well, for the first time since 2003, we have better releases of Dragon Ball than Japan (We had Dragon Ball on DVD, but they didn't) I can't wait to get my Dragon Box in the mail!

There is far more digital noise on the Funi version in the 2 images you posted, so I don't know what you are talking about.

But as I said, I think something is wrong with Haseo's decoding.

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:02 am

godofchaos wrote:
TheLiberator wrote: Wow, FUNI actually made it look better than the Japanese DVDs. There's less video noise now. I'm impressed. I remember when Mike was discussing the whole video quality issue in the podcast, he was saying that they aren't using the exact same video as the Japanese DVDs, because they were actually getting the masters from that remastering for the DVD. Well, for the first time since 2003, we have better releases of Dragon Ball than Japan (We had Dragon Ball on DVD, but they didn't) I can't wait to get my Dragon Box in the mail!
There is far more digital noise on the Funi version in the 2 images you posted, so I don't know what you are talking about.

But as I said, I think something is wrong with Haseo's decoding.

Sorry about that! But, we can't really do much else until the set is in godofchaos' hands to really tell.

It seems as there are indeed no trailers indicating the next DBOX's release. Also, it seems that at least the insert song during the Saiya-jin flashback is removed in the dub, replaced with silence.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:03 am

KinoFourpaws wrote:Eep! Cool down a little, man. I know you feel gipped, but there's no point in going back to the same thing repeatedly. If you're really that upset, couldn't you just take it into PMs?

Obviously I'm no moderator, but... c'mon, Haseo's in the middle of bringing us something awesome; do we really need bickering about this and that in the middle of all of this?

First off, I'm a girl, second off, I just wana make a side-by-side comparison image, but I was rather rudely told not to, so now I'm just trying to make sure if I make another one, It'll be ok.

Fact of the matter is, the DBox shot Rambo posted is just a BIT Too small, so until someone posts good Toei DBox shots, I can't do anything without being told off again.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:04 am

TheLiberator wrote:Wow, FUNI actually made it look better than the Japanese DVDs. There's less video noise now.

I disagree from what I'm seeing, but in any case it's worth noting that comparison isn't lossless. Plus, as you compress an image, grain is usually one of the first things to be lost (as it is fine detail), wouldn't call it noise though ;p

Also, to those taking screen captures, I'd really recommend not using any playback software as they do tend to alter the picture based on how they decode the MPEG-2 stream. The best, though more time consuming way, is to rip the VOBs and capture those via VirtualDub in my opinion. It ensures that no filtering is being applied (aside from resizing, of course, to make it the proper aspect ratio). I know there's a guide somewhere on here that ect5150 posted.

-Corey

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:04 am

Haseowolf wrote:Okay, here's some Dragon Book pics.

Tiananmen Square, Berlin Wall.... Okaaaaaaay, that's pretty fricking cool though, better than the Season sets (1995 - DBZ starts on TV, lololololololol)

Post by **Herms** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:05 am

"Profile of Goku Family"? Was that how it was written in the original DBox book, and they didn't want to change the Engrish? Well, other than that it looks pretty spiffy.

Oh yeah, does it say anywhere who did the translation? Was it Daimao?

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:15 am

Wow...never thought I would see a JoJo reference in a domestic Dragon Ball release.

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:16 am

So, I've got class in the morning and gotta be up in 4 hours. I'm off to bed, but I'll read all of your questions in the morning and try to do as much as I can without the DBOX with me.

Hope I've done a good enough job for you all and I'm glad and proud to have helped you guys out. Like I said before, this community rocks and to be able to contribute something this monumental...it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

A big thanks to godofchaos. Sure he might have rubbed some of you the wrong way, but lets just let it pass and enjoy this victory. Without his help, a lot of my thread post would be absolute shit.

G'night everyone.

Oh, BTW, if I need to check the DBOX, I'll be home around 4:15 CDT. Later!!

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:17 am

I (and probably everyone else) appreciate(s) the look at the Dragon Box, Haseowolf. Thanks!

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:18 am

It feels both surreal and interesting to see real world history mixed into that timeline.

KinoFourpaws · Post by **KinoFourpaws** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:23 am

DemonRin wrote:First off, I'm a girl, second off, I just wana make a side-by-side comparison image, but I was rather rudely told not to, so now I'm just trying to make sure if I make another one, It'll be ok.

Fact of the matter is, the DBox shot Rambo posted is just a BIT Too small, so until someone posts good Toei DBox shots, I can't do anything without being told off again.

If it helps to know any, I use the words "man" and "dude" rather loosely when referring to anyone - the gender doesn't matter. You will never find me saying something like "Oh, c'mon, girl" to anybody. I just don't talk like that.

And don't worry so much about whether it'll be okay to make another set of comparison images; just keep your eyes peeled for the right versions and you should be fine. Chaos's main complaint was only related to using the wrong versions and the misinformation resulting from it.

On another note - noting the whole issue with the screencaps still not being exactly like they should be - I see what Chaos is saying in there being more noise in the FUNi caps. Take a closer look at Raditz's face in both shots. The Japanese Dragon Box version does still look better - the FUNi version, whether because of the way the picture got altered in putting it up here or because of what FUNi actually did to the image, definitely looks a little more compressed and jpeg-like. You notice this kind of thing after having messed around with images and the effects of the various formats on them...

Not to say that the FUNi version looks horrible, now. Looking at it normally, that compression doesn't look like it should be that big of a deal. It's definitely not an eyesore or anything of that caliber. (I'm personally more unsure about what look like black borders all around their version. That's the same issue I've noted with a lot of their other DVD releases, too. :/ )

Chuquita wrote:It feels both surreal and interesting to see real world history mixed into that timeline.

I can't help but agree with you on this one, Chu. It just seems very odd. ._.