FUNimation Dragon Box Z #1 (In-Hands) Discussion

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:26 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:Fuck, did they really get that much worse over this short period of time? I mean they look good, but still.... the black lines are so much sharper on the original Dragonboxes.

By "they" do you mean the masters that were used... for the FUNi release? Compared to how the Dragon Box footage looks? That argument doesn't hold much water.

nathantheguitarist · Post by **nathantheguitarist** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:30 pm

SSVegetto wrote:I just wanted more r2j screen comparisons because I already knew that the Funiboxes would be way better.

As did I. I guess I posted my screenshots for 2 reasons. 1 being incredibly bored at the moment. and 2, if I didn't post them, I would have wanted someone to post them anyways.

As for all the hub-ub about the comparisons, I think this quote perfectly sums up the reasons why ours is brighter.

james039 wrote:
EricM wrote: -Funi version is bit brighter, but that means the colors look a bit washed out (see Goku's hair), they look richer in the JP version
This is actually expected if comparing a Japanese DVD to an American one. NTSC-J has an approximately 10% brightness difference from NTSC (due to slight differences in signaling levels between Japanese TV's and US TV's)

Bottom line is Funi version is correct for US, and JP version is correct for JP. If you import either way, you can turn up or down the brightness on your TV for an *authentic* experience.

Any line blurriness is probably because of the downgrade in bitrate. It's not actually noticeable past still images though.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:32 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Fuck, did they really get that much worse over this short period of time? I mean they look good, but still.... the black lines are so much sharper on the original Dragonboxes.
By "they" do you mean the masters that were used... for the FUNi release? Compared to how the Dragon Box footage looks? That argument doesn't hold much water.

Um, yeah, of course that's what I meant. Did you think I was talking about the orange bricks or something? And what argument are we talking about, this is just my opinion, it holds as much damn water as I want it to. If you can't see the difference between the two then you should get your eyes checked.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:41 pm

I love how my Dragon Box was just an hour drive away from me at 5AM, but still didn't come in the mail today. Good job USPS!

Sorry, just ranting.

email2003 · Post by **email2003** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:59 pm

Oh god, FUNi's video is a slight brighter than the original? That's it! Time for a refund!!!

Come on guys? Does a little brightness kill that the series has been finally brought to us 100% now? At least we don't have cropped screens, dirt and other junk going up the screen.

Also, can anyone confirm if the opening / ending credits are for each episode and not copied like FUNimation did in the past?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:10 pm

It could also be from the fact that the caps in the comparison have been altered, beyond the center line, half/half, and the part at the bottom that is.

Patient-mental · Post by **Patient-mental** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:18 pm

Anyone from Australia importing the Dragonbox's from America?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:30 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:
SSJ2bardock wrote:Fuck, did they really get that much worse over this short period of time? I mean they look good, but still.... the black lines are so much sharper on the original Dragonboxes.
By "they" do you mean the masters that were used... for the FUNi release? Compared to how the Dragon Box footage looks? That argument doesn't hold much water.
Um, yeah, of course that's what I meant. Did you think I was talking about the orange bricks or something? And what argument are we talking about, this is just my opinion, it holds as much damn water as I want it to. If you can't see the difference between the two then you should get your eyes checked.

Sorry, I honostly just wanted to be clear. And since the footage for the FUNi box wasn't taken the same way from the same masters, with the same techniques, there will most likely be some differences. I'm sure the masters have degraded to some miniscule degree since 2003, but I'm not sure if the FUNibox is evidence of that.

I realize my post was kind of an asshole-post, and I really didn't mean it to come across as such, seeing as how this thread has already had more than enough of that. I was just really hungry, and grumpy, when I posted that. My bad.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:30 pm

email2003 wrote:Also, can anyone confirm if the opening / ending credits are for each episode and not copied like FUNimation did in the past?

I'll look into it and get back to you, because I've been wondering the same thing myself. If I had to guess, I'd say they're the actual credits for each episode.

Joshua · Post by **Joshua** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:47 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:Fuck, did they really get that much worse over this short period of time? I mean they look good, but still.... the black lines are so much sharper on the original Dragonboxes.

Shouldn't the Dragon Box masters be digital, since they were done so recently?

james039 wrote:
EricM wrote: -Funi version is bit brighter, but that means the colors look a bit washed out (see Goku's hair), they look richer in the JP version
This is actually expected if comparing a Japanese DVD to an American one. NTSC-J has an approximately 10% brightness difference from NTSC (due to slight differences in signaling levels between Japanese TV's and US TV's)

Bottom line is Funi version is correct for US, and JP version is correct for JP. If you import either way, you can turn up or down the brightness on your TV for an *authentic* experience.

Ah, good point. But is that how DVDs really work? And does that apply to all American vs. Japanese DVDs?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 pm

Joshua wrote:Shouldn't the Dragon Box masters be digital, since they were done so recently?

That's what I thought. I mean, why would they go through all of the trouble of remastering it, and then transfer it onto film, which would over time undo all of that hard work?

P.R.P. · Post by **P.R.P.** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 pm

This is incredible, I can't wait to get this release.
Anyways, I broke down and canceled by Amazon order after Rightstuf dropped the Funibox's price to $47.99, and I was wondering something about their shipping. On their website FAQ it says that economy shipping typically takes 10-14 days, and I was wondering if Rightstuf stays true to that estimate or will I get it sooner seeing as how I live about 6 hours from their shipping headquarters.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:10 pm

P.R.P. wrote:This is incredible, I can't wait to get this release.
Anyways, I broke down and canceled by Amazon order after Rightstuf dropped the Funibox's price to $47.99, and I was wondering something about their shipping. On their website FAQ it says that economy shipping typically takes 10-14 days, and I was wondering if Rightstuf stays true to that estimate or will I get it sooner seeing as how I live about 6 hours from their shipping headquarters.

It'll probably be there in 1-3 days. Being you live so close, it should be faster.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:18 pm

Joshua wrote:
EricM wrote: -Funi version is bit brighter, but that means the colors look a bit washed out (see Goku's hair), they look richer in the JP version
This is actually expected if comparing a Japanese DVD to an American one. NTSC-J has an approximately 10% brightness difference from NTSC (due to slight differences in signaling levels between Japanese TV's and US TV's)

Bottom line is Funi version is correct for US, and JP version is correct for JP. If you import either way, you can turn up or down the brightness on your TV for an *authentic* experience.

Ah, good point. But is that how DVDs really work? And does that apply to all American vs. Japanese DVDs?[/quote]

Should be. It has to do with TV signal differences. That would apply to any signal going through a TV.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:27 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Joshua wrote:Shouldn't the Dragon Box masters be digital, since they were done so recently?
That's what I thought. I mean, why would they go through all of the trouble of remastering it, and then transfer it onto film, which would over time undo all of that hard work?

People take 'digital' to mean 'the greatest thing ever', when the fact of the matter is, the 'digital masters' for the dragonbox would take up far to much space to ever actually send, and the actual 'DVDs' of the dragonbox are to low quality to send to make a product from (you don't make a DVD from a DVD because minute changes turn into GIANT changes.)

People need to stop seeing the word 'digital' and assuming it is the be all end all...

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:34 pm

godofchaos wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Joshua wrote:Shouldn't the Dragon Box masters be digital, since they were done so recently?
That's what I thought. I mean, why would they go through all of the trouble of remastering it, and then transfer it onto film, which would over time undo all of that hard work?
People take 'digital' to mean 'the greatest thing ever', when the fact of the matter is, the 'digital masters' for the dragonbox would take up far to much space to ever actually send, and the actual 'DVDs' of the dragonbox are to low quality to send to make a product from (you don't make a DVD from a DVD because minute changes turn into GIANT changes.)

People need to stop seeing the word 'digital' and assuming it is the be all end all...

I know, I mean, if we started copying those floppies, then it would be the end of the digital age. Shows how stable that medium is!

Serious question though: If the Dragon Box masters were to deteriorate severely 20 years down the road, would they re-remaster it? Now that I know they aren't digital, I am just curious as to if they would be willing to do it again.

Or is modern film much less prone to wear and tear than it was in the 80's?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:00 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
Serious question though: If the Dragon Box masters were to deteriorate severely 20 years down the road, would they re-remaster it? Now that I know they aren't digital, I am just curious as to if they would be willing to do it again.

Or is modern film much less prone to wear and tear than it was in the 80's?

What gives you the idea the masters for the dbox aren't digital?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:03 am

godofchaos wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:
Serious question though: If the Dragon Box masters were to deteriorate severely 20 years down the road, would they re-remaster it? Now that I know they aren't digital, I am just curious as to if they would be willing to do it again.

Or is modern film much less prone to wear and tear than it was in the 80's?
What gives you the idea the masters for the dbox aren't digital?

Perhaps your post criticizing me for thinking that they were?:?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:06 am

godofchaos wrote:What gives you the idea the masters for the dbox aren't digital?

You just love only explaining part of what you're trying to say and watching everybody react, don't you?

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:08 am

I wonder if, by acquiring the Dragon Box footage, Funi also got the OVA-that's-not-really-an-OVA and, if so, what they are going to do with it. Get Daimao to sub it and be done with it, like they're doing with the previews, or go the whole 9 yards and do a full-on dub of the thing?