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Kai insert songs in the American dub!

Post by Bura » Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:57 am

(Move to the Kai subforum if you want- I honestly didn't know what forum to post this in..)
Anyway, I was thinking last night... what the hell will FUNi do to the insert songs of DragonBall Kai? Will they leave them be? Will they dub those into English as well? Will they be instrumental? Especially consider Saiyan Blood here, sung by Ryo Horikawa. Do we get a version sung by Chris Sabat :shock: ?

Also, do you guys think they'll dub Dragon Soul and Yeah Break Care Break?

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Re: Kai insert songs in the American dub!

Post by penguintruth » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:15 am

They should probably leave them be.

90% of the time you hear dubbed versions of anime songs, they're awful.
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Re: Kai insert songs in the American dub!

Post by Chuquita » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:21 am

I know in some cases they don't have the option to dub the songs because sometimes the audio tracks they receive don't have the vocal and instrumentals as separate tracks, but if that is not the case here and they do have the option...I don't know.


I really like TeamFourStar's musical numbers, but I don't know how well Funi's VA's can sing.


I'd think singing in-character, at least with the dub Vegeta voice, would be very difficult. Ryo Horikawa's Vegeta voice lends itself better to music in my opinion.
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Re: Kai insert songs in the American dub!

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:33 am

Since ripping the vocals from the songs is going to be hard. FUNi will have to make their own instrumentals like they did with "Mystical Adventure" and "Gradually, Your Charming My Heart".

Or they can leave the songs in, but I doubt they will if Dragon Ball Z Kai will be aired on T.V.

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:45 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Since ripping the vocals from the songs is going to be hard. FUNi will have to make their own instrumentals like they did with "Mystical Adventure" and "Gradually, Your Charming My Heart".
Why would they need to remove the vocals through archaic means? These are modern productions -- no doubt there are full, multi-track masters of each and every song. Hell, karaoke versions of most of them exist across the two Kai original soundtracks and the new Koro-chan Pack CDs.
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Or they can leave the songs in, but I doubt they will if Dragon Ball Z Kai will be aired on T.V.
I'm not watching a whole lot of modern dubs, but I believe the standard practice is to simply leave them as-is in Japanese during the show.

I don't know if we have all the reasons for which songs were removed during the original DragonBall, but the ones that stayed, they did play when it was on Cartoon Network, right? What reason would they have for removing them now when aired on TV? Highly doubtful.

Not that there's anything said about a TV broadcast, and not that any of us should expect anything other than digital distribution, me thinks...
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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:12 am

Maybe they'll do it after European model. Here on Animax the themes in anime licensed in past 4 years are left in Japanese including insert songs. Altough people here don't know Japanese, they want and like original versions with Japanese lyrics, because the J-rock and J-pop is quite popular here. Personally fopr me it's quite ''cheesy'' and matter of pose, but Kageyama said a lot in his interview about this ''outside-of-Japan'' phenomenon.
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:52 pm

If Sabat's team has the rights to they'll likely keep them as-is in the series, although if they're feeling One Piece-ish they might produce English versions. Sabat was an opera major in college but I'm not entirely sure if he feels himself qualified to sing Saiyan Blood. :p
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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:01 pm

I do recall at least one occasion when watching Dragon Ball on Toonami when an insert song was played, and it was in full Japanese. I don't remember any others very well, because I haven't watched the Red Ribbon episodes in 8 years.
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Re: Kai insert songs in the American dub!

Post by penguintruth » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:46 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I do recall at least one occasion when watching Dragon Ball on Toonami when an insert song was played, and it was in full Japanese. I don't remember any others very well, because I haven't watched the Red Ribbon episodes in 8 years.
I also heard at least one insert song in the dub for the original DB kept as-is.

DB had quite a few insert songs, though, if I recall.
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Post by bkev » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:58 pm

Most that WERE kept got monologues done over them... typically by our favorite narrator, Brice Armstrong. This was the one time I could get my friend to watch the show in Japanese, haha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcBqwsn38Tc
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:03 pm

That's unfortunate.

Though it is hard to resist Brice Armstrong's awesome voice.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:51 pm

VegettoEX wrote: I'm not watching a whole lot of modern dubs, but I believe the standard practice is to simply leave them as-is in Japanese during the show.

I don't know if we have all the reasons for which songs were removed during the original DragonBall, but the ones that stayed, they did play when it was on Cartoon Network, right? What reason would they have for removing them now when aired on TV? Highly doubtful.

Not that there's anything said about a TV broadcast, and not that any of us should expect anything other than digital distribution, me thinks...
I've seen the whole of Dragon Ball on Cartoon Network and from memory they only left in about three songs. If Dragon Ball Z Kai were to air on Cartoon Network as well they would play instrumental versions of the songs or take them out altogether.

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Post by Super Sonic » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:36 pm

Chuquita wrote:I know in some cases they don't have the option to dub the songs because sometimes the audio tracks they receive don't have the vocal and instrumentals as separate tracks, but if that is not the case here and they do have the option...I don't know.


I really like TeamFourStar's musical numbers, but I don't know how well Funi's VA's can sing.
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Post by xzero » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:20 pm

The dubbed intro and endings for GT were really well done. Vic Mignogna can sing very well. He did Dan Dan for GT, as well as his own version of Brothers from FMA (presumably for fun since it was never used in the show).

Kai seems to have a lot of insert songs, but I don't see why they can't be used in the dub. The only note I'll add is that if they do use them, there shouldn't be any talking over them like they had when the insert songs were used in Dragon Ball. They totally ruined the experience of having With a Burning Heart: Defeat the Red Ribbon Army in the end of the episode in which it was used when the narrarator talked over the ENTIRE thing.

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Post by penguintruth » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:58 pm

xzero wrote:The dubbed intro and endings for GT were really well done. Vic Mignogna can sing very well. He did Dan Dan for GT, as well as his own version of Brothers from FMA (presumably for fun since it was never used in the show).
It sort of defeats the purpose of "Brothers" if it's one person singing it. It was meant to be sung by at least two different people (and a chorus). That's Vic Mignogna for you, as arrogant as ever.

He does have a pleasant singing voice, though, I have to give him that.
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xzero wrote:The dubbed intro and endings for GT were really well done. Vic Mignogna can sing very well. He did Dan Dan for GT, as well as his own version of Brothers from FMA (presumably for fun since it was never used in the show).
It sort of defeats the purpose of "Brothers" if it's one person singing it. It was meant to be sung by at least two different people (and a chorus). That's Vic Mignogna for you, as arrogant as ever.

He does have a pleasant singing voice, though, I have to give him that.
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Post by penguintruth » Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:28 pm

ThunderPX wrote:Yeah man, covering a song by yourself for kicks instead of making it a duet with a kid whose voice has yet to fully develop, man, that's arrogant!
The arrogant part is doing a duet song solo. It implies that he thinks he can do the work of two singers. And a chorus.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:51 pm

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ThunderPX wrote:Yeah man, covering a song by yourself for kicks instead of making it a duet with a kid whose voice has yet to fully develop, man, that's arrogant!
The arrogant part is doing a duet song solo. It implies that he thinks he can do the work of two singers. And a chorus.
But it's just something he does at cons for fans. You're making out as if he's pissing on somebody and their honor.
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Post by UristtheGreat » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:29 am

penguintruth wrote:They should probably leave them be.

90% of the time you hear dubbed versions of anime songs, they're awful.
Funimation normally does a good job when they dub songs, like the openings and endings of Dragonball and GT.
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Post by Hujio » Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:16 pm

I was just thinking about this the other day, and I demand they leave in Saiyan Blood for two reasons.

1) So people can hear how "Saiyan" is properly pronounced.
2) So some, but not all, dub fans can debate about how Horikawa pronounced "Saiyan" wrong... which will be epic. Is that mean of me to say? :twisted:

Mostly I just want them to leave it in so I can hear Horikiawa as Vegeta say "Sigh-yan" in the background while Sabat as Vegeta is yelling "I'm a Super Say-yan"! That'd just be awesomeness and make my day! It'd just be hilarious in my mind, for some reason.
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