Gohan intended to take the leading role?

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:36 pm

I find these 'Shin/Chou' names being used so vehemently incredibly fascinating. Espicially because for twelve years we've all used 'Super' and 'Kid'.
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by jackjack » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:51 pm

I like aku and chibi boo.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:18 pm

jackjack wrote:I like aku and chibi boo.
But you could just say Evil Boo and Kid Boo, it's the same thing really.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Savage68 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:46 pm

And on top of that, they don't come off as sounding ridiculous.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Herms » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:13 am

jackjack wrote:I like aku and chibi boo.
"Chibi Boo" is another one of those fan terms which, while a Japanese phrase, is never actually used in the Japanese version.
Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:I've always thought Super Boo sounded pretty good, since the Japanese call everything super-something anyway. And the Japanese name for him ("Evil Majin Boo" in the Daizenshuu, if I'm not mistaken) is used by English-speaking fans to refer to the skinny Boo anyway ("Pure-evil Majin Boo," right?), so it gets confusing.
Yeah, the Japanese terms are kinda confusing simply on their own: there's a "Pure Boo", an "Evil Boo, and a "Pure Evil Boo". But they do have the advantage of their being used consistently in guide books and video games since being introduced in Daizenshuu 4 I believe (Daizenshuu 2 simply uses "Evil Boo" to refer to all Boos besides the fat one). Here's a big explanation I wrote mostly so I can quote it in the future when this comes up again:

The fat form of Boo is generally called "Good" (善/zen). Sometimes a distinction is made between the initial fat Boo who fights Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku, and the fat Boo after he spits out the skinny Boo. In this case, the initial Boo is called "Innocent" (無邪気/mujaki), with "Good" being reserved for the post split-up Boo (confusing things is the fact that in the series, the narrator describes the post-split fat Boo as "innocent"). In the series, the Good Boo is also sometimes called "the original Boo" or varients thereof, though of course this desciption turns out to not be very accurate. He also eventually changes his name to "Mister Boo" during the 10 year period between his evil half's defeat and the end of the series.

The skinny Boo who splits off from Good Boo is called "Pure Evil" (純粋悪/junsui-aku). In the series, the narrator does refer to this form as a "Boo of pure evil" after the split occurs. In Daizenshuu 2 alone though, this form of Boo and all the others ones besides the fat one are lumped together as "Evil Boo".

The muscular Boo formed when the Pure Evil Boo eats Good Buu is called simply "Evil" (悪/aku). In the title for chapter 486, he is referred to as "the terrifying new Majin Boo" (Kyoufu no Shin Majin Buu) , which I guess is where the fan term 'Shin Boo" comes from. The various forms Boo takes by absorbing Gotenks and co. are generally called "Evil Boo (Gotenks-absorbed)" or things like that. Interestingly, in Sparking! Neo, the Potaras for Gotenks-absorbed Boo is called "Super Boo", while the one for Gohan-absorbed Boo is called "Super Boo 2". However, on the actual character select screen they're still listed as simply "Gotenks/Gohan-absorbed".

I don't think Boo's extremely muscular form that he reaches after absorbing the South Kaioshin is ever given a name in any guide book or video games. On Japanese wikipedia it's simply listed as "South Kaioshin-absorbed".

Boo's original, child-like form is usually called "Pure" (純粋/junsui), which comes from the title of chapter 508, "The Pure Majin Boo". I thought he was also called the "true Boo" at some point, but I can't find it. In Daizenshuu 2, this form is lumped in with "Evil Boo".
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Xyex » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:53 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:No, Shin Buu = True Buu

Chou Buu = Super Buu
Um, no, it doesn't.
VegettoEX wrote:I've never, ever seen a flat-out "Shin Buu" used as a reference to or name for any particular form or transformation of the character. Who uses this? Where? Is it specific to a single language's fanbase?
As Herms mentioned, it's widely used on MFG. That's about the only actually place I see it used by 'the masses' as it were. But I also see it (and other 'related terms') randomly here and there, usually from the same people who use Seru and Bejiita and Toranksu.

Shin Buu = Super Buu
Aku Buu = Evil/Gray/Skinny Buu
Chibi Buu = Kid Buu

I think I've seen "Chou Buu" used once or twice for Buff Buu, but usually it's... something else that is slipping my mind at the moment. I think I've also seen "Evil Buu" used for Super Buu on occasion as well. And sometimes I'll also see "Zen Buu" for the Good Buu but it doesn't seem to be quite as wide spread. Then again, this whole Shin/Aku/Chibi thing only really started taking off in the last few years.
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Savage68 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:00 am

Xyex wrote:I think I've seen "Chou Buu" used once or twice for Buff Buu, but usually it's... something else that is slipping my mind at the moment.
"Mega Buu"?

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:14 am

Xyex wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:No, Shin Buu = True Buu

Chou Buu = Super Buu
Um, no, it doesn't.
You must have me confused. What I meant was that "Shin" means "True" in Japanese and "Chou" means "Super" in Japanese.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by smiley » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:11 am

Please get back on topic.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:13 am

smiley wrote:Please get back on topic.
Thanks, Not-So-Newbie who thinks he's a mod.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by smiley » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:16 am

No, but it's my thread and I don't it to be hijacked into something completely unrelated.

Now quit trying to be a smartass and stop posting unless you have something to contribute to the actual topic.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:18 am

smiley wrote:No, but it's my thread and I don't it to be hijacked into something completely unrelated.

Now quit trying to be a smartass and stop posting unless you have something to contribute to the actual topic.
Just because you made the thread, doesn't give you the right to dictate conversation. A lot of people on these forums seem to think this, I don't know why.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by smiley » Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:30 am

I'm not trying to "dictate" conversation, you can talk about whatever you want if it's relevant to the topic at hand. If the thread is about whether Gohan was meant to take on the leading role, then discuss the damned topic. If you want to talk about Buu's names, then make a separate thread for it.

Now quit spamming and get back to topic.

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by TripleRach » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:05 am

Hey hey, attitude, guys.

Sure, it's best to stay on topic, but it's not "spamming" to discuss new things that come up. Threads inevitably go off on different tangents all the time. Maybe someone really should make a different thread, but how about actually tossing in something new to steer the conversation back to its original topic? Since everyone seems more interested in Buu's names than the original topic, a new discussion point would probably help bring them back to it a lot easier than saying, "Discuss this instead of that."
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Herms » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:02 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:You must have me confused. What I meant was that "Shin" means "True" in Japanese and "Chou" means "Super" in Japanese.
Except "shin" can also mean "new", and with this meaning in mind (I'd assume) is sometimes used to describe the form of Boo also called "Super Boo" by fans, due to him being called "the new Majin Boo" when he first appears. That's what Xyex meant by writing "Shin Buu=Super Buu".
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Xyex » Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:33 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Xyex wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:No, Shin Buu = True Buu

Chou Buu = Super Buu
Um, no, it doesn't.
You must have me confused. What I meant was that "Shin" means "True" in Japanese and "Chou" means "Super" in Japanese.
And what I meant was that's not the way these fan terms work. What Shin and Chou mean in Japanese means diddly squat to how they're used by fans, or what/who the fan terms are referring to.
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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by penguintruth » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:11 pm

See? Again Gohan gets screwed over because this thread about him has turned into something else.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:30 am

Xyex wrote: And what I meant was that's not the way these fan terms work. What Shin and Chou mean in Japanese means diddly squat to how they're used by fans, or what/who the fan terms are referring to.
Yeah, I know. Those fan terms are incorrect.
penguintruth wrote:See? Again Gohan gets screwed over because this thread about him has turned into something else.
And also had so much wasted potential. :P

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Re: Gohan intended to take the leading role?

Post by Xyex » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:53 pm

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Xyex wrote: And what I meant was that's not the way these fan terms work. What Shin and Chou mean in Japanese means diddly squat to how they're used by fans, or what/who the fan terms are referring to.
Yeah, I know. Those fan terms are incorrect.
They're not, actually. Fan terms can't be incorrect, technically speaking. Not in an instance like this when there really isn't an official term.

Beyond that, there's nothing incorrect about using "Shin" for Super Buu. As has been pointed out "Shin" can also mean "New" and Super Buu was a "New" Buu.
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Xyex wrote:I think I've seen "Chou Buu" used once or twice for Buff Buu, but usually it's... something else that is slipping my mind at the moment.
"Mega Buu"?
No, I don't think that was it. It was another Japanese term to fit the Shin/Aku/Chibi trend.
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Post by Travis Touchdown » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:48 pm

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Xyex wrote:I think I've seen "Chou Buu" used once or twice for Buff Buu, but usually it's... something else that is slipping my mind at the moment.
"Mega Buu"?
That's the one I've always seen used for the really big buff Buu.
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