Differences in each Viz edition

[rereboy]

Whoa, where did you get that colored pic of Bulma flipping the bird, if the VizBigs are censored?

Also, what is that other pic censoring? Am I missing something...?

Bkev already answered correctly.

So, as you can see, the censorship is very minor since that`s all there is regarding censorship in a 42 volume manga. There are only 8 panels with censorship in the manga plus the removal of Mr. Popo`s lips and a couple of times that middle fingers pop up (plus eventually those moments I spoke of regarding DBZ that we don`t know if they will be censored).

[TenshinFan]

So they kept Yamcha's flipping of the bird to Tenshinhan in? And all Goku penis shots? All the mentions of "damn it" or "you bastard" etc? (Can't remember if they use any other swear words in Dragon Ball...)

[rereboy]

The only moments that aren`t in my post that were censored were:

- anytime a middle finger pops up besides the one I posted (includes that Yamcha moment. I don`t recall that particular moment, but if he did show him the middle finger, then it got censored)

- anytime Mr. Popo appears (his lips)

(And eventually those moments from DBZ that we still don`t know if they will be censored)

Everything else in uncensored. Goku`s nudity, Bulma`s butt, Oolong`s nudity, all the violence... Everything.

As for the dialog, its slightly more toned down than in the original. For example, when Bulma tries to bribe Goku when they meet, instead of using "feel" (her butt) they use "see". The same with swear words. But it NEVER sacrifices the original context of the situation or the intent (sexual or otherwise).

[TenshinFan]

Okay, well, I guess it looks like I'll be buying a mixture between the old 13 and Up ones and VizBigs

[Velasa]

Anyway I took the liberty of compiling a list of all the censorship that the Vizbigs have. Please forgive me for the poor quality of some scans and also keep in mind that the english translation in the uncensored panels is fan-made and not official.

Ironically, every time I click one of those links to check it I'm greeted by gay porn ads all over the website.

And I'm actually impressed by the effort someone put into the strapless bra Bulma's wearing in the Invisible Man edit- it's drawn nicely, looks good on her and has little details and everything. Thumbs up edit dude! If you gotta edit things do it properly, not halfassed.

Oh, and the reason some of us still buy the Viz single issues is because we already have so many of them. I've got 29 out of 42 in that format and having a series of books where half of them are different sizes drives me up the wall. Though I do have all of those white editions <_< But only because I bought them first, and they actually look kind of interesting on the shelf like that. I'm attached to them, they're staying.

[Herms]

And I'm actually impressed by the effort someone put into the strapless bra Bulma's wearing in the Invisible Man edit- it's drawn nicely, looks good on her and has little details and everything. Thumbs up edit dude! If you gotta edit things do it properly, not halfassed.

Yeah, I must say they do a good job of that. With those guns that they changed into laser weapons in the Boo arc, they at least did such a nice job touching up the artwork that if you didn't already know they were originally realistic guns, you probably wouldn't be able to tell.

Oh, here's some trivia: in the Japanese manga, during Yamcha and Tenshinhan's fight at the 22nd TB, there's one panel where Tenshinhan is doing that hand pose he uses to bounce back Yamcha's Kamehameha, and his arm bands are missing. But Viz went to the trouble of drawing his arm bands on! It's a good enough job that you don't really notice anything amiss about the added-in arm bands (at least I never did until comparing Viz and the Kanzenban page by page), but if you look at them closely enough you can kinda tell that the shading on them is a little "off", that it doesn't look quite the way Toriyama does it. Still, it's easily my favorite Viz edit, and I wish they did more stuff like that. There's lots of panels where some of Freeza's purple blob thingies aren't blacked in, and I keep wishing that some future edition of the manga somewhere in the world will fix those.

[Gaffer Tape]

Eh, I honestly feel the same way about "fixing" things as I do about censoring things, but I have to admit I agree with Velasa: they gave Bulma a very nice-looking bra in that edit. She and Ranfan must shop at the same store. Lingerie Foundation?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Okay, well, I guess it looks like I'll be buying a mixture between the old 13 and Up ones and VizBigs

It's only early DB stuff that gets censored the most, so I suggest buying that part in single volumes and the rest in VizBigs.


BTW, I keep getting ads for porn in those links rereboy posted. I dunno if the mods will allow it but just to be sure you should put those images on another site.

[ka1oken]

^ Yes I see those advertisements also.

I suggest you upload on Tinypic or Imageshack because of the younger users on this forum.

[Rocketman]

It may not be that important to most of you, but there is literally nothing in the world I loathe more than censorship.

Genocide? Slavery? Atomic bombing? Nope, covering up nipples in a comic book!

I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product.

Like he gives a damn.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product.

As long as he's getting the money, he doesn't give a shit.


BTW, aren't you going to buy Kai on DVD because that's censored.

[rereboy]

Sorry guys, I`ll try to upload them to another host

EDIT: I fixed them (see my original post). Sorry about any inconvenience. I hadn`t realized that I had screwed up.

^ Yes I see those advertisements also.

I suggest you upload on Tinypic or Imageshack because of the younger users on this forum.

I didn`t upload them to those hosts because the nudity of some of the images could make them delete the images. Which will not happen with the host I used.
However, I screwed up the links. I wanted to simply hotlink directly to the images, with no ads or pop ups to worry about, but I screwed up and that didn`t happen .
But now its fixed . So again sorry for any inconvenience.

Oh, here's some trivia: in the Japanese manga, during Yamcha and Tenshinhan's fight at the 22nd TB, there's one panel where Tenshinhan is doing that hand pose he uses to bounce back Yamcha's Kamehameha, and his arm bands are missing. But Viz went to the trouble of drawing his arm bands on! It's a good enough job that you don't really notice anything amiss about the added-in arm bands (at least I never did until comparing Viz and the Kanzenban page by page), but if you look at them closely enough you can kinda tell that the shading on them is a little "off", that it doesn't look quite the way Toriyama does it. Still, it's easily my favorite Viz edit, and I wish they did more stuff like that. There's lots of panels where some of Freeza's purple blob thingies aren't blacked in, and I keep wishing that some future edition of the manga somewhere in the world will fix those.

I had no idea! That`s pretty cool.

[Brad Redfield]

For those who are curious, the final volume of the Viz Big release is coming out in October. It contains volumes 41 and 42 and there's no mention of bonus features.

[rereboy]

For those who are curious, the final volume of the Viz Big release is coming out in October. It contains volumes 41 and 42 and there's no mention of bonus features.

Thanks for the info. I guess you saw it in here: http://books.simonandschuster.com/Drago ... 1421520728

No mention of bonus features is worrying since I was really expecting them to announce the Kanzenban ending since the last chapter is a color one. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see without high expectations.

Also, October? It could be sooner.

[TenshinFan]

I'd feel like I'm betraying myself (and Toriyama) by buying a censored product.

As long as he's getting the money, he doesn't give a shit.


BTW, aren't you going to buy Kai on DVD because that's censored.

Well, -I- give a shit. Also, I've decided I probably will buy Kai, just because I think the benefits outweigh the defecits in this case.

TenshinFan wrote:
Okay, well, I guess it looks like I'll be buying a mixture between the old 13 and Up ones and VizBigs

It's only early DB stuff that gets censored the most, so I suggest buying that part in single volumes and the rest in VizBigs.

Yeah, that's what I was planning to do. Get the first 9 or 10 in 13-and-Up, and 10 or 11 to 16 in VizBig. As for Z, I haven't decided how much of the Cell Saga I want to buy. Eventually I'd like to get all of it, but we'll see...

TenshinFan wrote:
It may not be that important to most of you, but there is literally nothing in the world I loathe more than censorship.


Genocide? Slavery? Atomic bombing? Nope, covering up nipples in a comic book!

LOL! Welll.... fine. Ya got me there. But I still think censorship is a very important issue.

[rereboy]

LOL! Welll.... fine. Ya got me there. But I still think censorship is a very important issue.

Yes, but can we really call the censorship that the Vizbigs have as stupid? Lets analyze:

.Most of the nudity in the manga is Bulma`s nudity which is a 16 year old girl in the manga. So it actually is pretty understandable that they would censor the visual evidence of her full nudity.

.This manga is intended for children and teens mostly, both in Japan and in America. But in America and most of the western world, such a product that includes naked women is criticized. So it also becomes understandable that they censor the remaining nudity of women present in the manga besides Bulma, even though the Bulma situation is even more understandable. The fact that they didn`t censor Goku`s nudity or Oolong`s is also not an inconsistency because their bodies were too underdeveloped to be taken sexually (its like looking at a naked baby).

.Mr. Popo design is strangely and shockingly similar to the famous old racist designs of black people of the start of the 20th century. For those who would notice that, the removal of the "big lips" actually makes a big difference, preventing racist associating.

So whats left? Ah yes, the middle fingers and eventually the guns. Although I understood what they were thinking in these cases, I honestly think they are unnecessary and stupid.

[jjgp1112]

That's why I think Viz should give DB a 16+ (older teens) rating. A TV-14 rating (the rating Funi gives to DB) these days is pretty much the equivalent to that.

[Gaffer Tape]

Mr. Popo design is strangely and shockingly similar to the famous old racist designs of black people of the start of the 20th century. For those who would notice that, the removal of the "big lips" actually makes a big difference, preventing racist associating.

This has always confused the hell out of me. Has there ever been ANY substantial backlash to Popo's lips in any way? The anime has always had those lips, even in the crazy Saban era, and I can't recall there being any backlash from mainstream media about Dragon Ball promoting racial stereotypes. But for that matter, Adjutant Black, an actual black man, was drawn with the same kind of lips, and those weren't censored in Viz. Granted, he didn't have the same potential blackface design as Popo, but some people consider just the big lips themselves to be offensive.

[Greenman]

I didn`t upload them to those hosts because the nudity of some of the images could make them delete the images. Which will not happen with the host I used.
However, I screwed up the links. I wanted to simply hotlink directly to the images, with no ads or pop ups to worry about, but I screwed up and that didn`t happen .
But now its fixed . So again sorry for any inconvenience.

Next time try Imgur. No signup, nudity is allowed and hotlinking is too.

For those who are curious, the final volume of the Viz Big release is coming out in October. It contains volumes 41 and 42 and there's no mention of bonus features.

Thanks for the info. I guess you saw it in here: http://books.simonandschuster.com/Drago ... 1421520728

No mention of bonus features is worrying since I was really expecting them to announce the Kanzenban ending since the last chapter is a color one. Well, I guess we will just have to wait and see without high expectations.

Also, October? It could be sooner.

We're entering the home stretch.
Vol 7 - April 20
Vol 8 - July 20
Vol 9 - October

As long as they don't delay Vol 8. then I think Vol. 9. will stay in October. And Vol. 7 comes out in 10 days. (And may be in stores a little sooner.)

[G1Ravage]

Nudity

This is the oddest of them all. All of the Viz editions had the nipples removed from that thought bubble, but kept the breasts. My edition has Oolong thinking to himself, "34...C? Whoa...I could do puff-puffs!" But the more censored editions changed even that dialog later on.