Why Toriyama Doesn't Want Continue Dragon Ball Again?

[ThunderPX]

"Toriyama said this" isn't an opinion though. It's just wrong. But sure, you can believe that you need more than 1/4th Saiyan blood to go Super Saiyan if you want.

Fine. This is not my opinion. Instead, I agree with this statement, and I believe it. One good reason I believe this, is because that it mostly applies in real life. Is that okay? As in, do you understand my logic behind it?
Okay, how is it "just wrong''? Now, that is your opinion.

He means that it can't be your opinion that Toriyama said the 1/4 Saiyan thing. It's okay if you choose to believe the 1/4 theory yourself, though. For example, it's not like you can say "France is a city, because that's my opinion!"

[Herms]

"Toriyama said this" isn't an opinion though. It's just wrong. But sure, you can believe that you need more than 1/4th Saiyan blood to go Super Saiyan if you want.

Fine. This is not my opinion. Instead, I agree with this statement, and I believe it. One good reason I believe this, is because that it mostly applies in real life. Is that okay? As in, do you understand my logic behind it?
Okay, how is it "just wrong''? Now, that is your opinion.

Because Toriyama didn't actually say the thing in question. It's not that complicated.

I haven't thought as far in to it as you have, and I do not intend to. By doing that, I reveal new plot holes to myself, which makes me enjoy the show less as I can't get it out of my head, generally leading to me thinking the show isn't as good as I thought. I only thought that theory up quickly, as I only wanted an answer that made me feel content.

If your theory is only to make you feel content, why are you bothering to post it online and debate it with other people?

[jordanator]

Because Toriyama didn't actually say the thing in question. It's not that complicated.

Toriyama didn't say what in question? What's not complicated? I didn't ask anything.

if your theory is only to make you feel content, why are you bothering to post it online and debate it with other people?

I posted that theory(why did I EVEN call it a theory;it's my thought on the topic) because I wanted to show others how I
felt about the topic, and what I thought, also, I then asked Bussani if he/she understood my logic. I'm not debating it, Bussani corrected my theory/thought, which I have no problem with, and I explained to Bussani that I didn't think about it that much as he/she had.

[Dayspring]

Anyway, Toriyama’s supposed family tree doesn’t have Goku and Vegeta’s lines merging, but instead has Vegeta’s line merge with pretty much everyone else’s. Here’s a diagram, courtesy of Olivier Hague:

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            Kulilin
             ┃
             ┣--------- Marron
             ┃           ┃
            No.18         ┣--------- ???
                          ┃           ┃
                         ???          ┃
King Vegeta                           ┣--------- ???
 ┃                      ???           ┃           ┃
 ┣--------- Vegeta       ┃           ┃           ┃
 ┃           ┃           ┣--------- ???          ┃
???          ┃           ┃                       ┣--------- Vegeta Jr.
             ┣--------┳ Bra         ???          ┃
Dr. Brief    ┃        ┃              ┃           ┃
 ┃           ┃        ┗ Trunks       ┣--------- ???
 ┣--------- Bulma        ┃           ┃
 ┃                       ┣--------- ???
Panchy      Lunch        ┃
             ┃           ┃
             ┣--------- ???
             ┃
            Tenshinhan

So if Bra and Trunks' grandkids do it, the resulting great-grandson can transform into a almighty Golden-Haired Warrior?

That's strikingly similar to FF7's Chocobo inbreeding diagram to result in a almighty Golden Chocobo.

I LOVE IT.

EDIT: Waitaminit, waitaminit. How can Vegeta Jr be the same age as Goku Jr, yet three generations older?

[Bussani]

Fine. This is not my opinion. Instead, I agree with this statement, and I believe it. One good reason I believe this, is because that it mostly applies in real life. Is that okay? As in, do you understand my logic behind it?

Yeah, I understand. Like I said, you can believe what you want about that. I haven't tried to tell you once that you can't believe this theory.

Okay, how is it "just wrong''? Now, that is your opinion.

I didn't say your opinion was "just wrong". I said DB wiki was "just wrong" about Toriyama saying anything like it. Please don't take this as me trying to tell you that you're wrong for your theory, because that's not what I'm saying at all.

I haven't thought as far in to it as you have, and I do not intend to. By doing that, I reveal new plot holes to myself, which makes me enjoy the show less as I can't get it out of my head, generally leading to me thinking the show isn't as good as I thought. I only thought that theory up quickly, as I only wanted an answer that made me feel content.

Fine by me.

Waitaminit, waitaminit. How can Vegeta Jr be the same age as Goku Jr, yet three generations older?

This is just Toriyama's "if I made Vegeta Jr., this is how I'd do it"--or that's how the rumor goes, anyway. Goku Jr.'s tree would likely be different to match. In other words, this tree can't be applied to GT canon as it is.

[SaiyamanMS]

Waitaminit, waitaminit. How can Vegeta Jr be the same age as Goku Jr, yet three generations older?

... Several generations of teen pregnancy in Pan's family?

[jordanator]

Yeah, I understand. Like I said, you can believe what you want about that. I haven't tried to tell you once that you can't believe this theory.

I never said that you tried to tell me this opinion is wrong. I just tried to let you know where I was coming from.

I didn't say your opinion was "just wrong". I said DB wiki was "just wrong" about Toriyama saying anything like it. Please don't take this as me trying to tell you that you're wrong for your theory, because that's not what I'm saying at all.

That was an honest mistake, and I apologise, as I thought you were talking about my opinion, rather than the website.

Fine by me.

Now, I'm glad we can understand each other's thoughts on it!

[Anonymous Friend]

Saddened by the over focus of Super Saiyans and lack of dragon balls in a theoretical new Dragon Ball series.

[Senzu_Bean]

Anyway, Toriyama’s supposed family tree doesn’t have Goku and Vegeta’s lines merging, but instead has Vegeta’s line merge with pretty much everyone else’s. Here’s a diagram, courtesy of Olivier Hague:

Looks like Lunch after all found Tenshinhan in the end. I can't stop thinking it is pretty much ridiculous she spent almost 30 years looking for him (less if you think she found him before the Saiyans arrived).

[Piccolo Daimao]

Anyway, Toriyama’s supposed family tree doesn’t have Goku and Vegeta’s lines merging, but instead has Vegeta’s line merge with pretty much everyone else’s. Here’s a diagram, courtesy of Olivier Hague:

Looks like Lunch after all found Tenshinhan in the end. I can't stop thinking it is pretty much ridiculous she spent almost 30 years looking for him (less if you think she found him before the Saiyans arrived).

I hope this "family tree" remains a rumour, as I strongly doubt that Tenshinhan and Lunch had a child.

[SaiyamanMS]

I hope this "family tree" remains a rumour, as I strongly doubt that Tenshinhan and Lunch had a child.

Honestly, I generally kinda see him as being gay with Chaozu.

[Bussani]

As someone else pointed out in the chat... Did Tenshinhan and Lunch have their kid in the Cell saga? If not, the age difference between her and Trunks could be as worrying as the fact that Vegeta Jr.'s parents seem to be cousins.

[Dayspring]

As someone else pointed out in the chat... Did Tenshinhan and Lunch have their kid in the Cell saga? If not, the age difference between her and Trunks could be as worrying as the fact that Vegeta Jr.'s parents seem to be cousins.

Nope. Toriyama confirmed that Lunch never found Tenshinhan. So for the tree to take effect, they meet up again, finally, at some point after the 28th budokai. Best case scenario, Trunks' wife is 4 years, 9 month younger than Pan.

[Hellspawn28]

If they made a new series then retconned the whole SSj4 Transformation. I won't mind a new series if it was done right, I think GT sucked since they had the wrong people working on it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

If they made a new series then retconned the whole SSj4 Transformation. I won't mind a new series if it was done right, I think GT sucked since they had the wrong people working on it.

Wrong people? Wasn't it mostly the same people who were working on Z?

[Bussani]

If they made a new series then retconned the whole SSj4 Transformation. I won't mind a new series if it was done right, I think GT sucked since they had the wrong people working on it.

Wrong people? Wasn't it mostly the same people who were working on Z?

The same people who brought us Garlic Jr. and Fake Namek? How could GT not be good!?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

If they made a new series then retconned the whole SSj4 Transformation. I won't mind a new series if it was done right, I think GT sucked since they had the wrong people working on it.

Wrong people? Wasn't it mostly the same people who were working on Z?

The same people who brought us Garlic Jr. and Fake Namek? How could GT not be good!?

I actually liked Movie 1 in general and the background behind Garlic Jr as a character. The Garlic Jr arc, however.........

[Kid Buu]

I remember loving both the Fake Namek and Garlic Jr. arcs when I first saw them on TV...

...I'm kind of afraid to rewatch them and see how they've held up after all these years. I'll give them a chance through.

[Herms]

Wrong people? Wasn't it mostly the same people who were working on Z?

Mostly it was, but with some important differences. For instance, the series directors for DB were Minoru Okazaki and Daisuke Nishio, and for Z it was Daisuke Nishio again. However, for GT the series director was instead Osamu Kasai, who seems to have joined the staff around the afterlife tournament arc, and directed several Boo era episodes. And while Takao Koyama was in charge of series organization for DB and DBZ (he also wrote all the DBZ movie scripts), for GT series organization was left to Aya Matsui, who was the scenario writer for the afterlife tournament story arc.

As someone else pointed out in the chat... Did Tenshinhan and Lunch have their kid in the Cell saga? If not, the age difference between her and Trunks could be as worrying as the fact that Vegeta Jr.'s parents seem to be cousins.

How worrying it is would kind of depend on when they get together, I suppose. If there's, say, an 8 year difference between them, then them hooking up when Trunks is 24 and she's 16 would be pretty creepy, but if it happens when Trunks is 38 and she's 30, then not so much. But it does bear repeating that there's no official source for this family tree.

[Dayspring]

Wrong people? Wasn't it mostly the same people who were working on Z?

Mostly it was, but with some important differences. For instance, the series directors for DB were Minoru Okazaki and Daisuke Nishio, and for Z it was Daisuke Nishio again. However, for GT the series director was instead Osamu Kasai, who seems to have joined the staff around the afterlife tournament arc, and directed several Boo era episodes. And while Takao Koyama was in charge of series organization for DB and DBZ (he also wrote all the DBZ movie scripts), for GT series organization was left to Aya Matsui, who was the scenario writer for the afterlife tournament story arc.

The Afterlife Tournament people? I guess that explains why GT was all over the place, then.

As someone else pointed out in the chat... Did Tenshinhan and Lunch have their kid in the Cell saga? If not, the age difference between her and Trunks could be as worrying as the fact that Vegeta Jr.'s parents seem to be cousins.

How worrying it is would kind of depend on when they get together, I suppose. If there's, say, an 8 year difference between them, then them hooking up when Trunks is 24 and she's 16 would be pretty creepy, but if it happens when Trunks is 38 and she's 30, then not so much. But it does bear repeating that there's no official source for this family tree.

It would be at least a 19-year difference, though, since the earliest they could meet is sometime after the 28th budokai.