Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Adamant]

Okay, so here's one for you serious "Popeye VS whomever" debaters.

> Are we going to argue the physics of Super Goof next? He CAN move at the speed of light. While flying backwards.
> I got this old Super Goof comic where, while racing a supersonic plane, he breaks the sound barrier, then accidentally the light barrier and the time barrier as well.
> After some time travel adventures, he travels back to his own time by flying faster than time backwards. Wee.
> So, Super Goof VS Super Vegetto! Debate!

[Goten Forever]

What about Oolong vs Naruto? The clone ninja vs the shape shifter?
What would Oolog need to transmorph into to defeat Naruto?

[Xyex]

can form friendship circles to fire beams of light.

The Carebears vs. Majin Vegeta!

You know it would be awesome.

[Savage68]

It's silly to think that there's only one version that's relevant when there are so many different versions of both characters available.

No. Those other "versions available" of him are irrelevant if someone simply mentions 'Superman', with no implications of an out-of-continuity iteration (since, y'know, there's no reason to discuss someone that's non-existent). Goku vs. Superman is exactly what it sounds and looks like, unless there's a good reason to think otherwise. If someone asks you how strong Superman is, are you going to go off on some tangent listing his different feats and abilities from the Golden and Silver Ages, even though they were completely written out of existence? I would think not. That's stupid.

Not read too many Goku vs. Superman threads, have you?

That's my line. I've never once read a Goku vs. Superman thread on a reputable comic board where people humor the "Well, it depends on the version..." argument, because a little common sense goes a long way. Only one of those version matters to the discussion. But yeah, any thread outside of those boards/forums usually shares the same train of thought, and the same level of knowledge on Superman.

The common question for Goku is "What era?" as in, is it 21st Budokai Goku, Saiya-jin arc Goku, Cell Games MSSJ Goku, SSJ3 Buu era Goku, or some other Goku from some other period in his history?

Yeah...no. If vs. topics within the DBU aren't put through this kind of backwards over-analyzing, crossover topics especially shouldn't be.

- Well guys, we settled it. 22nd Budokai Goku cannot beat the non-canon All Star Superman. Good to know.

[Kaboom]

The primary potential purpose in picking "which era" for Goku or "which version" for Superman is when trying to pose something that'd actually be a close and fair fight. That way it comes down to skill and ability instead of just raw power and speed. It's a common way to set up these sort of "fantasy-fights" in order to be more interesting.

[Savage68]

It may just be me, but I've always seen the "era" of Goku specified whenever it was meant to be ('22nd Budokai Goku vs. Spider-Man' comes to mind). How would anyone else know what version of these characters are meant to be pitted against each other (assuming it was the TC's intention to leave it up in the air)? Wouldn't he know that there are many versions of either of these characters, and obviate the confusion by making it clear who's fighting who? If that isn't done, the only reasonable conclusion to come to is that it's canon vs. canon. Golden Age Superman isn't Superman. He was. Silver Age Superman isn't Superman. He was.

[Kendamu]

While we're getting extremely "out there" with all of this, which Z Fighter would fare the best against Powdered Toast Man?

I say Yajirobe since he's been known to eat his opponents and toast is yummy.

[Hellspawn28]

I thought VS threads where banned? For Piccolo vs. The Hulk, depends on the Hulk since Savage Hulk destroy a Metor twice size of the Earth with a single punch. One punch from The Hulk could kill Piccolo.

For Goku vs. Superman, depends on the version. Some versions like Sliver Age Superman, Superman Prime, Superman Prime 1M, and Superman 1M will bee too much for Goku to handle.

how good do you reckon the Dragonball characters would do against the transformers?Now THAT is an interesting one.

Not really, transformers are just machines with lasers and lasers are proven to be useless in the dragonball universe. Unless it's the headmaster's who apparently can form friendship circles to fire beams of light.

You know their are Transformers that can destroy Planets, even Universes.

[Herms]

How about Mike Nelson from Mystery Science Theater 3000 versus Freeza? Mike's destroyed 3 planets, as opposed to Freeza's mere two. He's also shown many times as capable of surviving in the vacuum of space with no protective clothing, and once climbed down on a ladder from a satellite in geosynchronous orbit to the Earth's surface in about 5 seconds. And he can eat EXTREME! nuclear-powered rice like it was nothing.

[Kendamu]

I thought VS threads where banned?

I think this thread is half-parody and that's what's kept it from being locked.

[Hellspawn28]

Also The Hulk is not as slow most people think he is. Him able to tag Nova might be his best speed feat.

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Why DBZ vs. Marvel or DC? Their are other comic book inc outside of Marvel and DC like Image, Dark Horse, and Crossgen Comics. I have a idea, why not Gogeta vs. Solar: Man of the Atom?

[Bussani]

There's actually nothing impressive about what Superman is doing in this image. The chain, yes. Superman? Nope. Superman is in space. The planets are in space. They may have a shitload of mass, but they've got zip for weight.

I'm glad I was already sitting down when I read this... Are you saying that if NASA were able to get a long enough chain, they could pull the Earth with a space shuttle?

If the Earth was floating out in the dead of space like those planets are? Sure. The only thing to overcome in space is momentum and stellar gravity. There's no stellar gravity involved in that image, and the momentum of the planets is in the same direction as Superman. Considering that the planets are coming from a dead/dying galaxy, there was likely no stellar gravity (or very little) at the time he linked the world's together, so all he had to overcome was their momentum, and that would be a feat I'd expect any 'planet buster' to be capable of.

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In other words, if Roshi held his breath, he could do that too.

Xyex...physics doesn't work that way.

Actually what's not very logical is debating over who would win a fight between two fictional characters making any answer entirely based on preference.

Was that meant to excuse your "I don't like these characters so they'd lose, and if you're anime fans you should be agreeing with me" logic...?

Goku, he has all the qualities of Superman apart from the x-ray vision

Except for lifting skyscrapers, flying anywhere on Earth in seconds, surviving the heat and pressure inside a sun, etc.

Superma canot shoot ki blasts, only really stupid lasers from his eyes that wouldn't hurt someone like Goku very much.

What makes them "really stupid?" Seems pretty biased.

[Makaioshin]

Yamucha vs. Tsukutsun Tsun vs. Mr. Ho
Who wins? Would we even be able to tell?

[Herms]

Yamucha vs. Tsukutsun Tsun vs. Mr. Ho
Who wins? Would we even be able to tell?

When Tsukutsun gets mad, he's even stronger than Arale, so my money's on him.

[Hellspawn28]

What about Doctor Gero vs. The Doctor from DW. How much prep will take for The Doctor to win?

[Bussani]

What about Doctor Gero vs. The Doctor from DW. How much prep will take for The Doctor to win?

Depends which version of the Doctor it is. Oh shi--

Seriously though, the Doctor doesn't use prep time. He wings it.

[Rocketman]

What about Oolong vs Naruto? The clone ninja vs the shape shifter?
What would Oolog need to transmorph into to defeat Naruto?

Oolong's strength doesn't increase when he transforms.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

And he can only transform for 5 minutes

[Savage68]

Why DBZ vs. Marvel or DC? Their are other comic book inc outside of Marvel and DC like Image, Dark Horse, and Crossgen Comics. I have a idea, why not Gogeta vs. Solar: Man of the Atom?

Never heard of him, that's why.

[Xyex]

There's actually nothing impressive about what Superman is doing in this image. The chain, yes. Superman? Nope. Superman is in space. The planets are in space. They may have a shitload of mass, but they've got zip for weight.

I'm glad I was already sitting down when I read this... Are you saying that if NASA were able to get a long enough chain, they could pull the Earth with a space shuttle?

If the Earth was floating out in the dead of space like those planets are? Sure. The only thing to overcome in space is momentum and stellar gravity. There's no stellar gravity involved in that image, and the momentum of the planets is in the same direction as Superman. Considering that the planets are coming from a dead/dying galaxy, there was likely no stellar gravity (or very little) at the time he linked the world's together, so all he had to overcome was their momentum, and that would be a feat I'd expect any 'planet buster' to be capable of.

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In other words, if Roshi held his breath, he could do that too.

Xyex...physics doesn't work that way.

I fail to see where that contradicts anything I said. I accounted for their momentum, as well as the only force that could possibly be acting on them aside from Supes, stellar gravity.