The Dragon Ball Wiki

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18695
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:35 pm

Kid Buu wrote:I would take note on the battles that are filler. For example

Yamcha vs Recoome -> Change that into Yamcha vs Recoome (anime only)

Also, I would put DBZ Movie 3 instead of just Movie 3 so it doesn't sound to vague. People might think your talking about DB Movie 3.
'Anime only' is an archaic phraseology when it comes to Dragon Ball. It's best to use, at the most general, 'Dragon Ball Z only'. Otherwise only runs the risk of confusing those who might look to Dragon Ball Kai for this information.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6133
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:36 pm

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree. "Dragon Ball Z only" might imply to those who don't know better that it happened in Dragon Ball Z as opposed to DB or DBGT. Regardless of Kai, Yamucha vs. Reacoom is still anime only.
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 4/13/26!)
Current Episode: Low-Detail Freeza Can't Hurt You - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 3

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18695
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:42 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Hmm, I'm not sure I agree. "Dragon Ball Z only" might imply to those who don't know better that it happened in Dragon Ball Z as opposed to DB or DBGT. Regardless of Kai, Yamucha vs. Reacoom is still anime only.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm not entirely willing to concede that 'anime only' is the best choice (of course, now I'm implying you are saying such, which I mean not to). If we discard the idea of simply being 'general', tossing in '(Dragon Ball Z #9X-9X)' would work as a clean signal to the reader that said event is exclusive to that telling. Then again, that sets us up for having to cite similar things for everything else...which I guess is kind of the point anyhow?
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
Kid Buu
I Live Here
Posts: 4280
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:02 am
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:44 pm

JulieYBM wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:I would take note on the battles that are filler. For example

Yamcha vs Recoome -> Change that into Yamcha vs Recoome (anime only)

Also, I would put DBZ Movie 3 instead of just Movie 3 so it doesn't sound to vague. People might think your talking about DB Movie 3.
'Anime only' is an archaic phraseology when it comes to Dragon Ball. It's best to use, at the most general, 'Dragon Ball Z only'. Otherwise only runs the risk of confusing those who might look to Dragon Ball Kai for this information.
Kai completely slipped my mind when I posted that, good point.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

User avatar
B
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5563
Joined: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:15 am
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by B » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:48 pm

How about "Dude VS Brah (filler)"? I think that's a way to go, as there still are instances of filler in Kai.
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki

User avatar
Kid Buu
I Live Here
Posts: 4280
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:02 am
Location: United Kingdom

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Kid Buu » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:53 pm

Would asterisk work? For example,

Yamcha vs Recoome*

*This battle only occurred in the anime adaption of Dragon Ball Z, it would later be omitted for the Dragon Ball Kai adaption.

^Something along the lines of that maybe?
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18695
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:54 pm

B wrote:How about "Dude VS Brah (filler)"? I think that's a way to go, as there still are instances of filler in Kai.
But not every instance is retained. Gohan returns to fight final form Freeza in both Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Kai, but not Dragon Ball the comic. The Ginyû Special Force fight Yamcha's team on Planet Kaiô in Dragon Ball Z but not Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Kai.
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
B
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5563
Joined: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:15 am
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by B » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:55 pm

I believe there are Wikis that use a drop-down function from asterisks that bring in small notes of information, but I don't know if it can be done on Wikia.
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki

User avatar
JulieYBM
Patreon Supporter
Posts: 18695
Joined: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:25 pm
Location: 🏳️‍⚧️🍉

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:06 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Would asterisk work? For example,

Yamcha vs Recoome*

*This battle only occurred in the anime adaption of Dragon Ball Z, it would later be omitted for the Dragon Ball Kai adaption.

^Something along the lines of that maybe?
Actually, you could probably use a citation (typically a little blue number at the end of the sentence). Once clicked it will immediately take on to the bottom of the page and list the full citation (like, "45. Dragon Ball Z episode #XX[-XX]").
💙💜💖 She/Her 💙💜💖

User avatar
TripleRach
Moderator
Posts: 2656
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:08 pm
Location: Ohio, USA
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by TripleRach » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:13 pm

JulieYBM wrote:'Anime only' is an archaic phraseology when it comes to Dragon Ball. It's best to use, at the most general, 'Dragon Ball Z only'. Otherwise only runs the risk of confusing those who might look to Dragon Ball Kai for this information.
I disagree. If used properly, "anime only" refers to anything that's unique to the anime and wasn't in the manga. If it really matters which anime something did or didn't appear in, then it probably requires a lot more detail than a simple parenthetical phrase anyway.

Though I prefer the slightly different term "anime original" that appears in a lot of Japanese sources.
-Rachel

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6133
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:30 pm

The timing was just too fortuitous to pass up. A puzzled user just now posted a thread in the Questions section about Daiz, a member of Tullece's gang from Movie 3, about some bizarre info he read on, you guessed it, the DB Wikia:

"Note he is a saiyan who tail got cut off long time ago it's seeing in the credits."

Wow. The actual line itself makes it all the more hideous:

This is our number one, authoritative source for Dragon Ball information, people. This is our source. :roll:
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 4/13/26!)
Current Episode: Low-Detail Freeza Can't Hurt You - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 3

User avatar
SSJGoku93
Newbie
Posts: 33
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:02 pm
Location: United States of America
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by SSJGoku93 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:49 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:The timing was just too fortuitous to pass up. A puzzled user just now posted a thread in the Questions section about Daiz, a member of Tullece's gang from Movie 3, about some bizarre info he read on, you guessed it, the DB Wikia:

"Note he is a saiyan who tail got cut off long time ago it's seeing in the credits."

Wow. The actual line itself makes it all the more hideous:

This is our number one, authoritative source for Dragon Ball information, people. This is our source. :roll:
And these are the things I'm striving to work on! Our administrative team is doing good, but yes we need to step it up, things like this should not be allowed!
"Hurting innocent people is something I don't tolerate!" - Goku

User avatar
Gaffer Tape
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 6133
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Gaffer Tape » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:50 pm

I'm sorry. I know that came across as snarky, and it certainly was. Sometimes it's just hard not to be what with what we see there on a constant basis. Believe me, I do admire that you're trying to clean things up, and I continue to wish you the best of luck.
Do you follow the most comprehensive and entertaining Dragon Ball analysis series on YouTube? If you do, you're smart and awesome and fairly attractive. If not, see what all the fuss is about without even having to leave Kanzenshuu:

MistareFusion's Dragon Ball Dissection Series Discussion Thread! (Updated 4/13/26!)
Current Episode: Low-Detail Freeza Can't Hurt You - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Resurrection 'F' Arc Part 3

User avatar
SilverPlaqueVII
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 973
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:19 pm
Location: Toronto, ON (#The6)
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by SilverPlaqueVII » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:03 pm

TripleRach wrote:Though I prefer the slightly different term "anime original" that appears in a lot of Japanese sources.
"anime original" 1, Dub 0.

Rachel, I like it. Databooks are the best choice.
Jelo Gutierrez Cantos (Dr. Fresh)
I'M GONNA BREAK YOU, LIKE A KIT-KAT BAR!! - TFS Goku. (have a Break, have a Kit Kat Freeza!)

-------------------------------------

Silver ShenronTransit Archive Projects
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Facebook | X (Twitter) | Tumblr | Youtube (1) (2) | Flickr | Instagram | Threads

User avatar
SSJGoku93
Newbie
Posts: 33
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:02 pm
Location: United States of America
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by SSJGoku93 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:35 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I'm sorry. I know that came across as snarky, and it certainly was. Sometimes it's just hard not to be what with what we see there on a constant basis. Believe me, I do admire that you're trying to clean things up, and I continue to wish you the best of luck.
I share your belief with being snarky toward garbage like that, I hate it to haha! And I appreciate that, I really do!

Currently I'm making a huge overhaul to the Saiyan article http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Saiyan
You'll notice I've removed false info and added new, cited information. I still have more to go as well.
"Hurting innocent people is something I don't tolerate!" - Goku

Piccolo Daimaoh
Born 'n Bred Here
Posts: 5407
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:49 pm

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:10 am

SSJGoku93 wrote: Currently I'm making a huge overhaul to the Saiyan article http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Saiyan
You'll notice I've removed false info and added new, cited information. I still have more to go as well.
Great. See, that's what I was talking about before --- making sure that the information in the articles is accurate. This should be the number one priority at DB wikia.

User avatar
Herms
Kanzenshuu Admin Emeritus
Posts: 10550
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:40 pm
Location: Jupiter
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Herms » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:19 am

SSJGoku93 wrote:Currently I'm making a huge overhaul to the Saiyan article http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Saiyan
You'll notice I've removed false info and added new, cited information. I still have more to go as well.
I don't feel like going through the whole article right now, so I'll just comment on the name origin section.
The name is a Japanese anagram of yasai (野菜), which is Japanese for vegetable, followed by the suffix jin (人 or じん) which is a Japanese suffix for person. This essentially means that "Saiya-jin" and "Saiyan" stand for "vegetable person". (For comparison, American (citizen) is translated as Amerika-jin). Essentially, "Saiyan" is a more direct English translation of the word.
This explanation isn't wrong, but it's rather garbled and unnecessarily confusing. First, "Japanese anagram of...Japanese for vegetable" is redundant. I'm not too clear on what exactly is meant by a "Japanese anagram" and don't see how that adds anything not established by saying that it is an anagram of the Japanese word for vegetable.

More importantly, saying that Saiyan essentially stands for "vegetable person" is like saying that Videl "stands for" devil. Saiyan is a pun on the Japanese word for vegetable, and an anagram of it, but it is not the word itself. A more accurate statement would be to explain that "Saiyan" is basically a Japanese equivalent to "Tablevegeians", or something along those lines.
All names of Saiyan ancestry that appear in the series and related movies are named using puns on various vegetables. As a side note: a common racial slur towards Saiyans by Frieza and most of his family and empire is "monkey" or "ape".
Man, that's quite a sentence. "All names of Saiyan ancestry [...] are named using puns on various vegetables" First, how can a name have ancestry? Do names reproduce? Second, the names are named after vegetables? So a Saiyan's name has its own name? Talk about metaphysical. OK, so I'd assume the person meant something along the lines of "The names of all people of Saiyan ancestry are puns on vegetables", though even this isn't correct, since people like Trunks or Goten don't have vegetable-based puns.

What the heck does that comment about racial slurs have to do with the rest of the paragraph? It's not related to the origin of the name "Saiyan", so it should either be deleted or moved to another part of the article.
Kanzenshuu: Is that place still around?
Sometimes, I tweet things
We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

User avatar
Goku100xKamehameha
I Live Here
Posts: 2755
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:31 pm

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:03 am

Good luck on editing them, I heard the admin there will revert any changes made by everyone.

User avatar
The Tori-bot
I Live Here
Posts: 3228
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:00 pm
Location: Penguin Village
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by The Tori-bot » Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:38 am

Herms wrote:Man, that's quite a sentence. "All names of Saiyan ancestry [...] are named using puns on various vegetables"
Which is made even worse when, being as dub-centric as the Wiki is, this isn't even true (Borgos, Shugesh, Tora, Fasha...). :P
New to the forum? Just want to know when you'll hit your next posting rank? Ever wondered why some users have special titles, and what they mean? The answers to all these questions and more are waiting for you in the Kanzenshuu Member Hierarchy Guide!!
"Of all the things to worry about... the Wookiee has no pants." -- Mark Hamill
Herms wrote:Really, you could translate either title either way and nobody would care. But God would know.

User avatar
Ketchup_Revenge
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 494
Joined: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:22 am
Location: Apt 4A, 2311 No. Los Robles
Contact:

Re: The Dragon Ball Wiki

Post by Ketchup_Revenge » Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:53 pm

Behh, not to be rude toward you SSJGoku93, but most members on these boards really don't take the Dragon Ball Wiki very seriously. The main problem is that most of the editors there seem to only be tuned into and accept Dragon Ball if it's in the Funi Dub, and the Funi dub has fucked the original info up so much that no Funi-based English editor is taken seriously. There are other sources for Dragon Ball in English, and manga is one of them. Also this website as well as Kanzentai are both great sources for original Dragon Ball information.

So as others have said, I think that the Dragon Ball Wiki should more be a source for FUNI's version of Dragon Ball and not the original series from Japan.
I wipe it off the tile, the light is brighter this time, everything is 3D blasphemy.
My eyes are red and gold, the hair is standing straight up, this is not the way I picture me.
I can't control my shakes, how the hell did I get here? Something about this, so very wrong.
I have to laugh out loud, I wish I didn't like this. Is it a dream or a memory?

Post Reply