Vegeta's hair

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Vegeta's hair

Post by Senzu_Bean » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:34 pm

What is the deal with it? During the Saiyan arc they recolored it to black, opposed to brown but in most recent episodes his hair is almost light brown, probably even lighter than in DBZ. Are the artists getting lazy or something?

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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Blue » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:36 pm

It was probably brown in the original scenes and just more noticeable now that they're using brighter digital coloration.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:56 pm

I guess because they realized that in all of their newly animated footage his hair is brown, as well as in the old animation, so they finally stopped inconsistently recoloring it black, which makes it inconsistent with the new animation (non-traced) and the old footage used.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Senzu_Bean » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:57 pm

But isn't consistent with the manga, which they are trying to replicate. :P

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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Blue » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:59 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:But isn't consistent with the manga, which they are trying to replicate. :P
Well...not color wise. Although I'd love to see some of the characters in their original manga colors. (Aw yeah Blue Karin and White Kaio!) :lol:
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:00 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:But isn't consistent with the manga, which they are trying to replicate. :P
Yeah, but they aren't redrawing every shot, so there are still shots that use old footage and have him with brown hair, so trying to make his hair black in the reanimated scenes just makes it inconsistent with itself.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:41 pm

How could the ink and paint people be called lazy for painting it brown? Is the brown paint closer than the black paint? They still would have to paint his hair either way... :lol:

Sorry for being an ass. My real answer, I think it's a combination of the evolution of the character design and Toei taking certain liberties with the colors.

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Post by Mewzard » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:48 pm

I find that Toei is one of the worst when it comes to coloring series as they were intended (manga colors and all). But, Toei has done things worse in the past, so I suppose it can't be helped. Laziness doesn't help things, either.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Blue » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:52 pm

It's kind of hard to be consistent with colors when the creator himself isn't.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:58 pm

All pure-blooded Saiyans hair are black, everything that isn't black is just errors.

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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Mewzard » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:59 pm

While that is true, Toei has done this even with series that stay with a consistent color (when color is shown). It's just one part of that laziness, not willing to do the research.

And that is true, Raditz, Nappa ('s eyebrows), Vegeta, Goku, Bardock, etc all had black hair.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Blue » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:01 pm

I've always felt Toriyama regretted that rule, didn't he even tell Toei in the Bardock sketches he didn't really care if they wanted to vary the hair color?
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by gotensottile » Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:38 am

Blue wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:But isn't consistent with the manga, which they are trying to replicate. :P
Well...not color wise. Although I'd love to see some of the characters in their original manga colors. (Aw yeah Blue Karin and White Kaio!) :lol:
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:00 am

Blue wrote:I've always felt Toriyama regretted that rule, didn't he even tell Toei in the Bardock sketches he didn't really care if they wanted to vary the hair color?
I thought the Bardock special was when he informed Toei of the rule, when their initial designs had different hair colours?
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Ashy-kun » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:01 am

If I recall correctly, his notes said that the idea he had always had in his head was that they all had black hair, and he may have said in reply to seeing their designs with different hair colours, but he also said "I always saw Saiyans as having black hair, but if you'd like to have them have different hair colour to make them easier to distinguish, that's okay too".
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Wed Jul 07, 2010 4:05 am

IDK Saiyans without black hair? it just doesn't fit.

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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Blue » Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:13 am

Ashy-kun wrote:If I recall correctly, his notes said that the idea he had always had in his head was that they all had black hair, and he may have said in reply to seeing their designs with different hair colours, but he also said "I always saw Saiyans as having black hair, but if you'd like to have them have different hair colour to make them easier to distinguish, that's okay too".
Yeah that's the quote I'm talking about, thanks. Reading it over it just kind of seems like the good ol' "eeeeh whatever" Toriyama attitude. :lol:
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Ashy-kun » Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:47 am

I think more likely he's just being polite there. After all, it's not his work in that case, and of course, there's also the fact that he was working on other pieces here and there too.
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Herms » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:12 am

Blue wrote:I've always felt Toriyama regretted that rule, didn't he even tell Toei in the Bardock sketches he didn't really care if they wanted to vary the hair color?
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Re: Vegeta's hair

Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:22 am

Blue wrote:
Ashy-kun wrote:If I recall correctly, his notes said that the idea he had always had in his head was that they all had black hair, and he may have said in reply to seeing their designs with different hair colours, but he also said "I always saw Saiyans as having black hair, but if you'd like to have them have different hair colour to make them easier to distinguish, that's okay too".
Yeah that's the quote I'm talking about, thanks. Reading it over it just kind of seems like the good ol' "eeeeh whatever" Toriyama attitude. :lol:
I wonder, What exactly Toriyama attitude like?

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