Dragonball GT: not so bad after all

[Mountain]

Yikes, I think that's going a little far!

I'm dead serious. I love everything that "took place" on Namek (the real Namek, that is). That episode had Blueberry and Raspberry in it, too. I just liked it. Haha. As for GT, I don't dislike it because it's "the thing to do". I just really could not care less about it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Is the Anoyo-ichi Budoukai really that poorly regarded? I thought it was pretty good.

I also quite liked the Ano Yo'ichi Budōkai arc, it was nice seeing fighters from all around the galaxy fighting in a tournament. Oh, and getting to see the rest of the Kaiō was pretty sweet as well.

[Zephyr]

My major gripe with it though is the fact that Z ended with a decent handful of un/under-developed characters (Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub, Mr. Buu, etc.) and GT barely took any advantage of that. Sure, Trunks and Pan were major characters for the Baby arc, and Vegeta reached "SSJ4", but other than that pretty much all potential character use was wasted so Goku could play daddy.

Then again, its not like better could be expected from the creators of the filler. I did like the "SSJ4" transformation (the form itself, not the name), the concept of the Evil Dragons, and the proper ending (it could have been less confusing, but whatever) though.

[Senzu_Bean]

GT's story is fun and exciting to watch. Especially the Evil Dragons arc and Gokū's climatic battle against Li Shinron. Even the Ultimate Dragon Balls arc was enjoyable and kind of a throwback to the early DB arcs.

No! You're forgetting to add "in my opinion". Cause that to me is nothing specially or enjoyable to watch.

That's fine and dandy, but comparing "Fake Namek" and "Bulma and a crab" to GT, is stupid. GT is more interesting and serves a purpose, instead of just being made to fill in time.

Actually no. GT doesn't have a purpose besides getting a cash from Dragonball and for sure it isn't more interesting - it is exactly the same piece of useless, non-logic shit.


What I would like to know is why people don't have a problem in saying fillers suck but can digest the God-awful huge filler that DBGT is.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

No! You're forgetting to add "in my opinion". Cause that to me is nothing specially or enjoyable to watch.

You found nothing enjoyable in GT? Even people who have said that they dislike GT, have at least found something enjoyable from it.

Actually no. GT doesn't have a purpose besides getting a cash from Dragonball and for sure it isn't more interesting - it is exactly the same piece of useless, non-logic shit.

You're contradicting yourself here. First you said that GT has no purpose "besides getting a cash from Dragonball" and then you go on to call it useless. And "non-logic"? You're talking about a series that has monkey tailed warriors who can change their hair colour, fighting aliens in outer space. The show wasn't that logical to begin with.

[Senzu_Bean]

You found nothing enjoyable in GT? Even people who have said that they dislike GT, have at least found something enjoyable from it.

Maybe Bebi-Vegeta design... but then I remember he is a Tsufuru and I can't like him.

You're contradicting yourself here. First you said that GT has no purpose "besides getting a cash from Dragonball" and then you go on to call it useless. And "non-logic"? You're talking about a series that has monkey tailed warriors who can change their hair colour, fighting aliens in outer space. The show wasn't that logical to begin with.

Getting cash isn't a purpose of an anime, at least isn't a purpose to the audience.

And yes, GT is illogical. Something can be fictional and logical at the same time, which Dragonball is. GT is not!

[frozie]

It took me a while to get into GT at first, mainly because I didn't really consider it to be part of DB since the manga was over and the whole thing was created by an animation studio. When I did get around to watching it, I could only find the first 4 episode on tape and I kept looking for things that I didn't like. Like Vegeta with a moustache. I was thoroughly disgusted.

It was only about a decade later that I got to watch the entire series on DVD. I guess it was a lot of fun. The beginning was a good change of pace from DBZ, but then I thought the battle against Baby and the fusion of the Androids wasn't really up to par with DB-quality storytelling. I spend much of the time wondering when they were going to wish Goku back to normal.

I thoroughly enjoyed the final arc though, it seemed to wrap up the story nicely instead of the unsatisfying ending in manga 42

[Herms]

Especially the Evil Dragons arc and Gokū's climatic battle against Li Shinron.

That's Ii Shinron/Yi Xing Long (イーシンロン), not Li Shinron.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Getting cash isn't a purpose of an anime, at least isn't a purpose to the audience.

Yes, it is. Animation companies (such as Toei) make Anime for money. If Toei didn't get paid for making Dragon Ball Z, do you think they would have still done it?

And yes, GT is illogical. Something can be fictional and logical at the same time, which Dragonball is. GT is not!

Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT, are all illogical. Whether one is more illogical than the other, is up for debate.

Especially the Evil Dragons arc and Gokū's climatic battle against Li Shinron.

That's Ii Shinron/Yi Xing Long (イーシンロン), not Li Shinron.

T'was a typo.

[Senzu_Bean]

Yes, it is. Animation companies (such as Toei) make Anime for money. If Toei didn't get paid for making Dragon Ball Z, do you think they would have still done it?

Everything in this world is around money. Even Akira Toriyama wrote/drew Dragonball because of money.

The thing is Dragonball has a story to tell, when Dragonball GT doesn't have one.

Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT, are all illogical. Whether one is more illogical than the other, is up for debate.

Neither Dragonball and Dragonball Z are illogical, unless you count filler but then you're agreeing with me.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Everything in this world is around money. Even Akira Toriyama wrote/drew Dragonball because of money.

Exactomundo.

The thing is Dragonball has a story to tell, when Dragonball GT doesn't have one.

Of course GT has a story. Here's a summary of it, episode by episode.

Neither Dragonball and Dragonball Z are illogical, unless you count filler but then you're agreeing with me.

Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are illogical as well. Tell me Senzu, what's logical about a monkey-tailed alien who can fly, shoot laser beams from his hands and change his hair colour at will?

[Senzu_Bean]

Of course GT has a story. Here's a summary of it, episode by episode.

That isn't a story. That is a list of episodes that have random events in them.

Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are illogical as well. Tell me Senzu, what's logical about a monkey-tailed alien who can fly, shoot laser beams from his hands and change his hair colour at will?

It is logical in-universe! There is a logical behind. What isn't logical is Saiyans got a new clothing because they increase their powers, tails appear and disappear for whatever reason, a weaker guy is stronger than the stronger guy, etc., etc.

You can like DBGT but you're acting like a fanboy. DBGT is illogical!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

That isn't a story. That is a list of episodes that have random events in them.

The episodes don't have random events; they have sequential events leading up to a conclusion. By definition, Dragon Ball GT is a story.

It is logical in-universe! There is a logical behind. What isn't logical is Saiyans got a new clothing because they increase their powers, tails appear and disappear for whatever reason, a weaker guy is stronger than the stronger guy, etc., etc.

You mean like canon and non canon? Then yes, Dragon Ball GT isn't canon. Dragon Ball GT also has its fair share of plotholes, but so do Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.

You can like DBGT but you're acting like a fanboy. DBGT is illogical!

Hey, aren't we all fanboys here?

[Mountain]

Everything in this world is around money. Even Akira Toriyama wrote/drew Dragonball because of money.

Exactomundo.

Let's not jump to conclusions. Sure, every "job" is about making money, but in the art world it may differ. I'm quite sure Toriyama had a passion for what he did, meaning that he would have written Dragon Ball with or without money. The point is... not everything is about money; some people think on a higher level.

Back on topic:

Piccolo Daimaoh, you seem to get upset when others don't share your opinion. Having different opinions is what makes us human. In my opinion, GT really isn't that great. Don't get me wrong... there are good things about it, too. However, it is beyond flawed. As someone has already said before in this thread, I doubt that I'd even remember the show if it wasn't Dragon Ball-related. The major downside for me was what a missed opportunity GT was.

(Spoiler alert.)


From the start, Goku becomes a kid again. To me, there are many things wrong with this scenario. Let's start with the basics: why was this even decided? To capitalize on and familiarize itself with Dragon Ball. Some will say that the creators of GT tried to bring back the feeling of older Dragon Ball, whereas I believe that they simply had no ideas to keep the story, that was fairly structured by Toriyama, going. The last episode of Z sets up a perfect possible story arc. Why didn't they just continue with where Toriyama was going? I highly doubt that he was thinking of making Goku a kid again. Even so, it all seemed so pointless to me. Goku grew up for a reason. We've already seen the shtick that GT is. On another note, why did Pilaf, all of a sudden, decide to come back for revenge? What makes him think that turning Goku into a child would make him any easier to defeat? Believe me, I could continue on with many more questions. The entire premise gives me a headache. Given the subject matter at hand, could it have been done well? Yes. Was it? In my opinion, no.

I'll give the Baby arc points. At the very least, it tried something new. It was just very boring to me. At the end of the day, I just don't care about new forms and/or transformations, such as the Golden Oozaru and Super Saiya-jin 4.

Ssj4 was just too expected. I'm quite certain that if another series came out, there would, without a doubt, be ssj5. At this stage, what's the point? In fact, GT just seems to be an extra muscle on an already-bulked-up Goku. Of course, I thought ssj3 was too much, as well, but at least I fault Z for its weaker points.

Don't even get me started on the Super 17 arc. The entire idea that Gero is going to try and get revenge from Hell just seems absurd to me. Gero was already overdone, in my opinion, in Dragon Ball / Z. Upon accepting all of this rubbish and giving it a chance for at least entertainment value, I couldn't even do that. It was mind-bogglingly boring.

The dragons idea is definitely good, in theory. Some parts are underwhelming, while others are better. Nothing about it, though, seems to "wow" me. It actually led to a fairly decent ending; I'll give it that. Ultimately, GT just tries so hard (perhaps too hard), and fails on nearly every level. If it weren't so boring for 95% of the time, I'd give it more credit. To me, it just seemed like a rush job that was made entirely for money. You'd think for a 64 episode series, it would fly by. For me, that was not the case. What do you do when you have no ideas? Make new bad guys that are even stronger than before. What if you have no ideas for new bad guys? Bring back old ones and make them stronger than before. The ending of GT may be its only redeeming quality. We can argue all day, but I'm being as truthful as possible. I've given this series more than a fair chance and it never gets better. I find myself snoozing more often than not, and I never snooze during Dragon Ball / Z.

[monaug5]

So who ultimately decided on dragonball GT?

[Herms]

So who ultimately decided on dragonball GT?

What do you mean?

[Savage68]

Sure, every "job" is about making money, but in the art world it may differ. I'm quite sure Toriyama had a passion for what he did, meaning that he would have written Dragon Ball with or without money. The point is... not everything is about money; some people think on a higher level.

If only the world were so.

[Questrider]

I never thought GT was all that bad either.
Sure, it has mistakes too numerous to name, but like so many others, I was able to put that aside.
It was nice seeing all my favorite characters one last time, even if it was far from perfect...


Quick question and I apologize for not being on topic:
Why do some posts HAVE the red text?
Are these mistakes mods had to fix?

Was just always curious about as that shit's pretty hard to read.

[Herms]

Quick question and I apologize for not being on topic:
Why do some posts HAVE the red text?
Are these mistakes mods had to fix?

Yes:

Outlandish disregard for typing properly is subject to being corrected in red by moderators. This is intended to give people a somewhat-snide little "heads-up" that they agreed to these rules and are expected to type properly. Not every little mistake will be corrected (especially those from our foreign, non-native-English-speaking visitors), but if you find yourself subject to these corrections, it may be time to re-evaluate your posting style (a.k.a. "Seriously... you're above the age of ten and live in suburban America; for goodness sake, use a period!").

[Rocketman]

Let's not jump to conclusions. Sure, every "job" is about making money, but in the art world it may differ. I'm quite sure Toriyama had a passion for what he did, meaning that he would have written Dragon Ball with or without money. The point is... not everything is about money; some people think on a higher level.

Toriyama has said he wouldn't have made manga if he didn't need the money.

You can think on whatever level you want - food's gotta be paid for.